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15:02:22 <tzviya> Meeting: Publishing CG
15:02:29 <tzviya> Date: 2022-05-11
15:02:37 <zheng_xu> present+
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15:04:45 <zheng_xu> scribe: zheng_xu
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15:05:18 <tzviya> Chair: zheng_xu
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15:06:10 <zheng_xu> wolfgang: last meeting AvneeshSingh had mentioned about a11y metadata (summary)
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15:07:00 <zheng_xu> ... and talked about pub manifest. Matieus introduced about how Norton was using pub manifest
15:07:07 <Bill_Kasdorf_> present+
15:07:18 <zheng_xu> ... which could be used along side with epub
15:07:57 <zheng_xu> ... and we started to discuss about education - try to organize a group to define use cases
15:08:23 <wolfgang> Scribe: wolfgang
15:08:41 <wolfgang> Topic 2: A11Y TF update
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15:10:12 <wolfgang> Avneesh: high level aim in last meeting - intend to write a guidance doc for accessibility summary + extend metadata to ONIX + Marc
15:10:16 <AvneeshSingh> https://w3c.github.io/publ-a11y/drafts/schema-a11y-summary/
15:11:15 <tzviya> q+
15:11:17 <wolfgang> charlesL: looking for publisher feedback - working with industry what is beneficial here - what can be automatically generated
15:12:18 <AvneeshSingh> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Lh0TwYHg574WFvdIAB1-Pns3fF7oSCjD/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=110044170227731414177&rtpof=true&sd=true
15:12:19 <wolfgang> ... what does the publisher want to highlight - detect more features that is already extant in the product - no place to put down this info up to now
15:12:50 <wolfgang> Avneesh: MARC metadata - use Google docs to make it easier
15:14:06 <wolfgang> Tzviya: what is automatable? - you should talk to users, not only publishers - I would like to reach out to users - recommend users' outreach
15:14:50 <Bill_Kasdorf_> q+
15:14:53 <wolfgang> present+ wolfgang
15:15:57 <wolfgang> Topic 3: Education
15:16:39 <wolfgang> idea to collect more use cases to know more - any idea how we can started -
15:16:42 <tzviya> ack me
15:17:06 <tzviya> q+ to talk more about what I was suggesting for manifest
15:18:17 <wolfgang> BillK: I did contact Paul Belfante - he is an independent consultant - did agree to chair the TF - Bill wants to arrange a call with Paul what his tasks as chair of a TF would be - orientation call with Paul
15:18:28 <wolfgang> ... open to anybody else
15:18:59 <Bill_Kasdorf_> q+
15:19:55 <wolfgang> Tzviya: my suggestion was not to create sth. exclusively for education - EDUPUB was a disaster - Manifest has many interesting use cases, as Mateus described - a lot of it is already happening, also at Wiley
15:21:23 <tzviya> ack me
15:21:23 <Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to talk more about what I was suggesting for manifest
15:21:31 <wolfgang> ... people have e-books and courseware - now offering an epub and at the same time an interactive web experience (quizzes, assessments) which is not EPUB - we need to understand what holds that together
15:22:13 <zheng_xu> q+
15:22:22 <wolfgang> BillK: not about EDUPUB or solutions, but user stories - what would education community want to do with the Web - just accumluate a wealth of user stories
15:23:38 <wolfgang> Zheng: we collect use cases - know more about situation in the publishing industry - find common value for different platforms - not necessarily in EPUB-format
15:24:29 <wolfgang> BillK: Paul's expertise is intact -
15:24:49 <Bill_Kasdorf_> s/intact/edtech
15:25:26 <wolfgang> Topic: (4)	Planning for TPAC 2022: Call for members’ proposals/suggestions for topics
15:25:59 <tzviya> q+
15:26:00 <wolfgang> zheng: any suggestions? we have no experience with technical logistics?
15:26:19 <CharlesL> ack Bill_Kasdorf_
15:26:23 <CharlesL> ack zheng_xu
15:26:28 <CharlesL> ack tzviya
15:27:55 <AvneeshSingh> q+
15:28:01 <wolfgang> Tzviya: TPAC will be hybrid - plan to accommodate time zones in their schedules - it's open whether anybody from our CG will be able to attend in person and whether it is worthwhile for the group
15:29:32 <wolfgang> Avneesh: real use of TPAC is cross-group meetings - if we need more discussion with other groups, TPAC will be useful for us
15:30:36 <CharlesL> ack AvneeshSingh
15:30:42 <CharlesL> q+
15:31:18 <wolfgang> tzviya: many members this year may have time zone problems -
15:31:39 <wolfgang> zheng: can we arrange for virtual rooms?
15:31:59 <wolfgang> tzviya: if virtual meeting, better choose another week
15:32:40 <tzviya> q+ to say that meeting with PCG should not wait until tpac
15:33:16 <wolfgang> CharlesL: meeting with Pub WG would make sense - they might have some ideas to share with us - ask Dave and Wendy - CharlesL plans to attend in person
15:33:17 <tzviya> ack ch
15:33:36 <wolfgang> Zheng: how many plan to attend in person?
15:33:50 <AvneeshSingh> Just 30% chance for me.
15:34:16 <CharlesL> ack tzviya
15:34:16 <Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to say that meeting with PCG should not wait until tpac
15:35:25 <AvneeshSingh> q+
15:35:26 <wolfgang> Tzviya: meeting Pub WG is a great idea, but should not be postponed until TPAC - WG charter runs out in a year
15:36:40 <wolfgang> Avneesh: TPAC would be late if you propose sth for new WG charter - we should start incubation work now as a basis for further WG activities
15:37:08 <tzviya> ack av
15:37:10 <CharlesL> q+
15:37:13 <wolfgang> Zheng: we probably don't need a physical meeting room at Vancouver
15:38:06 <wolfgang> CharlesL: we don't need a physical room - more informal meetings - official session requires an agenda - happy to meet others
15:38:20 <CharlesL> ack me
15:40:42 <wolfgang> Zheng: can co-chairs do anything to support CG members? We don't book any physical meeting room for TPAC. If any CG member, attends in person, it would be great if s/he gave us feedback on relevant information
15:41:27 <wolfgang> ... plan: meeting with WG for next month
15:43:16 <wolfgang> tzviya: you need some conceptual development, use cases, tests before you start with spec work - it would be good to have an active WG - mini-apps, Pub Manifest, etc. -
15:43:57 <wolfgang> ... or extending existings specs relatively easy charter while NFT is rather difficult to charter
15:46:54 <wolfgang> zheng: are our use cases in issues repo relevant for WG? Annotation spec: would it make sense to extend it - in the detail it is difficult to implement -
15:47:24 <wolfgang> ... we have a use case label in our repo
15:48:09 <wolfgang> tzviya: members should have a look at the repo and add their thoughts and ideas to the issues labelled as use cases
15:48:55 <wolfgang> Topic: Use cases and extant applications of Web Publishing
15:51:36 <wolfgang> zheng: are there further examples for use cases? converted XML to JSON manifest - used it for my test book - my platform is a web reader - I will write it down as an issue in our repo
15:52:16 <wolfgang> Topic: Discuss open Github issues: “Highlights, Notes, Comments, and Annotations #32”
15:53:50 <wolfgang> zheng: any comment on this? - how to tackle this large issue? -
15:54:28 <wolfgang> ... Proposal of Locator TF in repo as #30
15:54:57 <wolfgang> Decision: arrange a meeting with Paul Belfanti
15:55:35 <wolfgang> Action item: more use cases for Friday session
15:56:08 <wolfgang> no physical meeting room reservation at TPAC
15:58:00 <wolfgang> Zakim, list participants
15:58:00 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been zheng_xu, tzviya, gpellegrino, Naomi, AlexGrover, Bill_Kasdorf_, wolfgang
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