Meeting minutes
Co-ord with COGA and update on functional needs
LS: we were pointed at the Functional needs list, liked basics, also had questions
LS: great if more people look at it and also do some coordination with COGA
<Lisa> did you see https://
JS: COGA already done a lot of work
JS: a summary of COGA document is wished for by people
<Lisa> did you see https://
<Rain_> We also have the very high level list that we use for presentations: https://
<Zakim> Joshue, you wanted to speak to Janinas point about Content Usable
LS: brain works in different ways for different parts, not 'one-size-fits-all'
JOC: we try to keep it broad, granularity is good but we also want broader version for developers, UX designers, etc..
<Joshue108> https://
<Joshue108> https://
<Lisa> https://
<MichaelC> https://
<Joshue108> https://
<Joshue108> https://
<Joshue108> https://
<Joshue108> https://
<Joshue108> JA: What do you mean about Safety?
<Joshue108> LS: I can handle issues of nuance, but in the context of mental health there are a slew of other issues.
<Joshue108> Some wont access mental health services due to fear of being exposed (as having a problem) for example
<Joshue108> JA: In our matrix Safety is not a category that is essential - we considered removing
<Joshue108> JOC: +1 to Jake - there was a scope issue with this work
<Joshue108> JA: Exactly - Todd also had good insight into this.
<Lisa> https://
<Joshue108> LS: We have mapped patterns and scenarios to user stories
<Joshue108> JA: I can give some background
<Joshue108> <Gives background on how the way of writing a user need has great variability>
<Lisa> our user needs: https://
<Joshue108> There is little consistency - we were thinking how we can create clear user needs and outcomes - we decided that we need a rather high level list. Not too granular.
<Joshue108> JA: In the end we were looking for high level
<Joshue108> JA: What are the deltas that give us requirements?
<Joshue108> Higher level consistent user need list - is what we wanted
<Joshue108> LS: We have an issue that WCAG did not cover COGA needs sufficiently.
<Joshue108> There are issues of partial support etc - we need to do a review of that - and introduce mental health issues
LS: WCAG lacks COGA needs, so we need to see where we may add missing parts
JOC: also worked on Deceptive Pattern and possible Outcomes
<Zakim> Joshue, you wanted to introduce Deceptive patterns
JS: like the high level User Needs layer, COGA can more deep and also that is worthy, the high level abstraction is very usable though
RM: what would be the next steps?
JOC: we spend much time on high level User Needs, that one needs to be looked at
JOC: done multiple experiments, looking for next focus
<Joshue108> https://
<Rain_> Is it worth screensharing in order to make sure we are looking at the right thing?
<Rain_> thank you
LS: not sure if Funtional Needs match our list / work
JA: Functional needs list might be best candidate to focus on now
<Zakim> Lisa, you wanted to comment on concerns to deceptive patterns and to agree with Jake , we just want to map them