IRC log of aria-apg on 2022-05-03
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/05/03-aria-apg-irc
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- Meeting: ARIA Authoring Practice Guides
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- present+ JaeunJemmaKu
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- Chair: Jemma
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- zakim, who is here?
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- Present: JaeunJemmaKu
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- On IRC I see jongunderson, MichaelC_, RRSAgent, Zakim, jamesn, Jem, MichaelC, github-bot, ZoeBijl, trackbot
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- Meeting Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/May-3%2C-2022-Agenda
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- Topic: Set up and review agenda
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- 18:05:03 [MarkMcCarthy]
- scribe: MarkMcCarthy
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- Jem: still waiting for Matt and a couple other people
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- Topic: New APG issue Triage
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- Jem: no new issues this week!
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- Topic: APG redesign Project
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- present+
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- present+ RichNoah
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- https://github.com/w3c/wai-aria-practices/projects/1
- 18:07:27 [MarkMcCarthy]
- Rich: we have a few items that are necessary for launch, we've sized them. we have 6 days left before deploying for review
- 18:07:46 [MarkMcCarthy]
- Rich: Right now, it's set that our changes will take 7.5 days, so I'm waiting to hear about more resources
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- Rich: We found some issues, we have to overwrite the template. I'd like to avoid if possible
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- Q+
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- Rich: But we're working on it
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- to ask where the information is.
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- Rich: Hopefully will be ready for review before GAAD on May 19
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- present+ Matt_King
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- Jem: I don't see those 9 issues on the project board
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- ack me
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- Matt_King: They're in wai-aria-practices
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- https://github.com/w3c/wai-aria-practices/projects/1
- 18:10:07 [MarkMcCarthy]
- Rich: they should all be there
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- Rich: I accounted for 10, so I'm not sure if anything else moved in. The URL item isn't from us
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- Matt_King: That's on MichaelC_ and Shawn
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- Rich: There's one that wasn't scoped out this morning, #49, so I'll have to get things resized
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- Matt_King: it depends on #48
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- Matt_King: I just didn't want to interrupt the flow of the meeting or anything else before getting to that
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- jongunderson: What's the plan for bypass blocks? There's two different ways to do it right now
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- Rich: That's in issue 26
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- Matt_King: we're removing the extraneous one that's just a link, instead using SkipTo.js. it won't be persistently visible on launch, but issue 40 contains some designs from Isaac
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- Matt_King: current plan is that it will appear on Tab for initial launch, #40 will be taken up right after launch
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- jongunderson: thanks
- 18:15:20 [Matt_King]
- TOPIC: Placement of "Read This First" links
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- https://github.com/w3c/wai-aria-practices/issues/48
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- Matt_King: currently, the Read Me First section contains basic principles (No ARIA...), basic browser/AT support, etc.
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- Matt_King: right now, it's kind of buried on the about page. this issue turns the Read Me into a fundamentals page like landmarks, hiding content, etc.
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- Matt_King: it'll be titled "Read This First" and will be the first item on the fundamentals page
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- Matt_King: ideally, we should highlight it on the homepage and patterns/widgets page
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- Matt_King: if we're forced to do either/or right now, there's two questions:
- 18:18:09 [MarkMcCarthy]
- Matt_King: what does the TF think we should do if we have to choose a location, and if it's on the homepage, where do we put it?
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- Matt_King: my understanding is that, when you load the homepage, the only thing you see without scrolling down is the intro card which links to the patterns page
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- https://main--wai-aria-practices2.netlify.app/
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- Matt_King: so, if we put Read This First on the homepage, i don't think i'd want it below the fold and above the "view patterns" link
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- Matt_King: so maybe the place to feature it is at the top of the patterns page, maybe that's more important than featuring it on the homepage
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- Jem: I agree, but maybe adding a navigation item and putting it on its own page
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- Matt_King: it'll be on the fundamentals page as the first card for sure.
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- Matt_King: that's a given. but we have to make sure people are aware of it before using the patterns, too
- 18:22:07 [MarkMcCarthy]
- jongunderson: i think putting it on the patterns page is a good place to put it
- 18:22:28 [MarkMcCarthy]
- jongunderson: maybe naming it something more inviting than "read this first"
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- Matt_King: so we'll need a small intro after that first heading, or maybe "read this first: no aria is better than bad aria", that could be good
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- jongunderson: i like that
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- MarkMcCarthy: +1
- 18:24:46 [MarkMcCarthy]
- Jem: hearing two suggestions: 1, adding read me first as first card item in fundamentals, 2: adding read me first as first item under design patterns and widgets
- 18:25:33 [MarkMcCarthy]
- Matt_King: if the card was just "read this first" with the "no aria..." tagline, Rich, would something like that look any different?
- 18:26:06 [MarkMcCarthy]
- Rich: each card has: on the upper left, the icon representing the widget, in the top right, the name of the widget, then a description afterwards
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- Rich: Everything is ordered alphabetically, and adding "Read this first" Would break that, but we're here to do what you (all) would like
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- Matt_King: could it be added under the H1, in such a way it doesn't break the flow of the page
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- Rich: It could be another element for sure, but I'd have to talk with Isaac
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- Matt_King: maybe instead of a card on the fundamentals page, it's represented the same way throughout.
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- jongunderson: i think Isaac would have good ideas
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- Matt_King: if it's done this way where it's separate from the cards, maybe it could take up less vertical space.
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- Rich: I could see it spanning across.
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- Rich: if this is the case, then "Read this first" is the heading, and after that the CTA is "No aria...."?
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- Scribe: Jemma
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- Decision: "Read me" section under "about" page will move to the "patterns and widgets" page as the first card item.
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- https://main--wai-aria-practices2.netlify.app/patterns/
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- 👏
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- Matt will open the issues regarding heading level in fundamental page.
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- https://main--wai-aria-practices2.netlify.app/fundamentals/names-and-descriptions/
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- Topic: Homepage content update
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- "Home" link does not indicate that it is apg site because there is no correct H1 unless it says APG home
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- jon: it is a bit backward convention to show w3c after ARIA APG.
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- discussing to resolve the descrepancy of accessible name for home and actul h1 in the hompage
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- Mck: Matt will update the h1 to apg, rather than being the tag like of "get empowered..."
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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/standards-guidelines/act/rules/b5c3f8/#wai-site-footer
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- mck provide the content
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- s/provide/provided/
- 18:59:36 [MarkMcCarthy]
- zakim, who is here?
- 18:59:36 [Zakim]
- Present: JaeunJemmaKu, MarkMcCarthy, RichNoah, Matt_King
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- On IRC I see Matt_King, siri, MarkMcCarthy, jongunderson, MichaelC_, RRSAgent, Zakim, jamesn, Jem, github-bot, ZoeBijl, trackbot
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- mck: I would prefer something else instead of div and span
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- jon: I will add comment on wai template.
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- https://github.com/w3c/wai-aria-practices/issues
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- mck: I don't see there is preview link for the changes.
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- rich: I will check with Howard about the workflow.
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- mck: removing the texts of "recommended approach..." under "building blocks that..."
- 19:23:24 [Jem]
- APG resources look like h3 visually although it is h2.
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- s/APG resources/"APG resources"/
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/03-aria-apg-minutes.html Jem
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