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11:55:10 <xfq> Meeting: MiniApps WG Teleconference
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12:02:29 <xfq> regrets+ Dan Zhou
12:04:30 <xfq> topic: lifecycle
12:04:53 <xfq> @@link to tag issue@@
12:05:06 <xfq> qing: the MiniApp origin is not the same as the web origin
12:05:27 <xfq> present+ xiaoqian
12:05:56 <xfq> ... more like a busniss policy
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12:06:33 <xfq> ... try to figure out how to handle the MiniApp origin
12:07:20 <xfq> ... no big update to the spec
12:07:59 <xfq> topic: manifest
12:08:08 <xfq> martin: reviewing the csp issue
12:08:20 <xfq> ... somehow related to the origin topic you mentioned just now
12:08:43 <xfq> s/somehow/somewhat/
12:09:16 <xiaoqian> q+
12:09:38 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/pull/46
12:09:48 <xfq> martin: editorial update
12:10:12 <xfq> ... approved by xfq
12:10:28 <xfq> ... if there's no objection we can merge it
12:11:12 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/pull/47
12:11:40 <xfq> martin: I updated the explainer
12:11:44 <xfq> ... not only 2 members
12:12:07 <xfq> ... included the members we introduced a while ago
12:13:04 <xfq> ... we can have another round of review and we can merge this
12:13:21 <xfq> ... related to #30 and #48
12:14:40 <xfq> ... about the csp issue, so far i haven't received any comments
12:15:00 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/issues/43
12:15:11 <xfq> martin: I think we can align with WAM
12:15:23 <xfq> ... feel free to comment
12:15:44 <xfq> qing: is this related to the origin?
12:16:10 <xfq> martin: not really
12:17:08 <xfq> qing: the manifest id uses url
12:17:28 <xfq> ... we need to consult the MiniApp vendors whether it's possible
12:17:44 <xfq> ... do you think it's feasible, martin?
12:18:18 <xfq> martin: I think we can use it
12:18:55 <xfq> QingAn: we need to see whether it affects the impls
12:19:50 <xfq> martin: I agree with you that we should continue the discussion
12:19:53 <xfq> ack xiaoqian
12:20:12 <xfq> xiaoqian: there's a Chinese company called Dingdao, working on PWAs
12:20:19 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/manifest/issues/1036
12:20:49 <xfq> xiaoqian: they filed an issue ^
12:20:54 <xfq> ... is it something we want to do for MiniApp manifest?
12:21:18 <xfq> ... should we invite the engineers from Dingdao to talk about their vision for PWA?
12:21:33 <xfq> ... to see whether we have any ideas about hybrid apps
12:22:00 <xfq> ... I think we already have a version member in the MiniApp manifest
12:22:10 <xfq> ... we need to look at if the requirements are the same
12:22:23 <xfq> ... if the requirements are the same we should support his idea
12:22:59 <xfq> martin: I will comment
12:23:07 <xiaoqian> martin++
12:23:19 <xfq> xiaoqian: thank you, martin
12:24:03 <xfq> topic: packaging
12:24:04 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-packaging/pull/53
12:24:49 <xfq> martin: cleaned up the RFC 2119 terms
12:25:30 <xfq> ... nothing affecting the content
12:26:14 <xfq> QingAn: it's an editorial change?
12:26:17 <xfq> martin: yes
12:26:27 <xfq> QingAn: in this case, I'm OK with it
12:27:28 <xfq> martin: will work on https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-packaging/issues/48 this or next week
12:28:29 <xfq> xfq: wide review?
12:28:59 <xfq> martin: I think it's solid unless other MiniApp vendors disagree
12:29:53 <xfq> xiaoqian: we should also ask the publishing groups
12:29:58 <xfq> ... because they're interested
12:30:08 <xfq> martin: yeah
12:30:34 <xfq> QingAn: about manifest and lifecycle
12:31:19 <xfq> ... what's the next step?
12:31:23 <xfq> ... review schedule
12:31:31 <martin> +1 to early reviews of the specs
12:31:34 <xfq> xfq: imho we can start requesting review now
12:31:38 <xfq> QingAn: agreed
12:32:10 <xfq> https://www.w3.org/2021/01/miniapps-wg-charter.html#deliverables
12:32:38 <xfq> xiaoqian: according to the charter we should move to PR in Q3 2022
12:32:57 <xfq> ... we need to have at least 2 independent impls for each feature
12:33:07 <xfq> QingAn: we're already behind schedule for CR
12:33:49 <xfq> xiaoqian: we need to close the normative issues before we move to CR
12:34:54 <xfq> ... wide review is also required
12:35:11 <tomayac> present+ tomayac
12:35:32 <xfq> martin: we should also start creating a test suite as soon as possible
12:35:59 <xfq> xiaoqian: we should also look at the WAM spec to see if we can share some test cases
12:36:22 <xfq> martin: I'll look into this
12:37:38 <xfq> xiaoqian: since tomayac is here, i wonder whether he can share how WAM is tested
12:38:27 <xfq> tomayac: i'm not a testing expert
12:38:39 <xfq> ... there's wpt, but i'm personally not involved
12:38:57 <xfq> xiaoqian: thank you
12:40:00 <tomayac> This is the (open) Issue foir creating a test suite: https://github.com/w3c/manifest/issues/666
12:40:12 <tomayac> s/foir/for
12:40:19 <xfq> topic: widget
12:40:32 <xfq> xiaoping: two modificatoins
12:40:37 <xfq> ... remove the ack sectoin
12:40:43 <xfq> ... and update the explainer
12:40:53 <xfq> ... all merged
12:41:26 <xfq> QingAn: next step for widgets?
12:41:59 <xfq> xiaoping: we're drafting a widget spec
12:42:55 <xfq> topic: white paper
12:43:13 <xfq> qing: i think it's mature enough to publish
12:43:27 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp/pull/181
12:43:51 <martin> +1 to publish
12:44:12 <xiaoqian> +1
12:44:12 <xfq> QingAn: we can send an email to the group since not all group members are here
12:44:38 <xfq> xiaoqian: should we add a version number to it?
12:44:45 <xfq> QingAn: good idea to add a year
12:45:08 <xfq> ... MiniApp Standardization White Paper 2022?
12:45:38 <xfq> xiaoqian: looks good to me
12:46:40 <xfq> QingAn: we may not update it next year
12:46:56 <xfq> ... if we use the year someone may think it's out of date
12:47:08 <xfq> ... i prefer use something like v2.0
12:47:22 <xfq> martin: works for me
12:48:21 <xfq> QingAn: should we issue a cfc?
12:48:30 <xfq> xfq: it's a note, we can jus tpublish it
12:48:39 <xfq> xiaoqian: we can publish it and announce it to the group
12:49:11 <xfq> topic: next meeting
12:49:28 <xfq> ... may 26?
12:49:35 <martin> +1 May 26
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