W3C

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ARIA Authoring Practice Guide

26 April 2022

Attendees

Present
CurtBellew, Matt_King, Rich_Noah, siri
Regrets
Mark
Chair
Jemma
Scribe
Siri

Meeting minutes

Setup and review agenda

<Jem> added apg redesign project discussion to the meeting topic.

APG redesign project scope

seth: Met with she at W3cC, and he opened with more issues

More ambiguity which Shawn consider as blocking issue, need reconciliation on Shawn's issue

<Jem> https://github.com/w3c/wai-aria-practices/projects/1

<s3ththompson> https://github.com/w3c/wai-aria-practices/projects/1

Matt_King: not sure what issues are blocking and what are not

Agreedto move the TOC

Matt_King: 23 issues in backlog

s3ththompson: Rich and Seth prioritized the issues

Make best effort to address blocking issues

<siri> s/affrod/efford

<Jem> s/efford/efforts/

s3ththompson: Will move block of the issues to next step after this APG meeting

s3ththompson: Keep less on next step then Seth can commit

and inform Matt about it

Matt_King: "Skip to main"- what column should it be in

<Jem> APG group is checking the project progress from the APG redesign project board.

s3ththompson: First 6 are in up next

s3ththompson: Need decision on URL, can someone volunteer to be decider on few things

<Jem> https://github.com/w3c/wai-aria-practices/issues/37

Matt_King: Volunteered to be decider

<Jem> https://github.com/w3c/wai-aria-practices/issues/37#issuecomment-1098766449

<Jem> Matt's suggestion for new site is w3c.org/wai/apg

Matt_King: want to have short URLs, easy to understand and say

URL is not a place to spell things out, ambiguity will be there in URL

Jem: like the short URL

Can we note that aria related info is there in APG

Matt_King: APG brand need to changed. It is a practices guide

Matt_King: Don't recommend aria in the URL, many thing it is aria spec

Everyone is fine with the URL

Jem: will add comments to issue #37

s3ththompson: Work with Shawn regarding the consensus

Matt_King: Any dependency on issue 37

s3ththompson: no dependency

APG issue triage

<Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+created%3A%3E2021-08-15+no%3Alabel+

<Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2294

<Jem> https://www.w3.org/2022/04/19-aria-apg-minutes.html#t02

Matt_King: accessible name is set to true in Aria spec for list box

but in APG , there is language saying is listbox is controlled by combobox then there is no need of accessible name

In aria no language related to it

<Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/22932

Matt_King: go either way with Aria spec change with APG

<Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2293

James: currently validators should fail if listbox doesn't have accessible name

<Jem> Discussion about comboxbox and listbox with ARIA spec and validator

What benefit to a user when listbox with combox have name

Matt_King: on touch interface, when user navigates, screenreader narrates with option name

the accessible name too

Matt: no change no fix on aria side and fix the APG

Jon: fixed the issue

Matt: ANy issue raised requesting changing the pattern

<jongunderson> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2294

<jongunderson> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2290

James- Spec doesn't change and example will be fixed in APG

Jem: will add comment to issue #2290

Triage the issue 2294

<Matt_King> I don't uynderstand this phrase in the issue: This seems to give a false impression on when the usage of listbox in combination with combobox is possible.

https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2294

in select-only combobox the selection is not changed automatically unless user selects an enter key

Matt_King: leaving a comment in the issue

<Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2031

<Jem> [Listbox] Pattern does not include guidance on aria-expanded but example does

Example in the issue is deprecated

Matt_King: commenting in the issue

<jongunderson> https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices/examples/combobox/combobox-select-only.html

<Jem> the last issue to trige is https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2030

iOS doesn't support aria-modal?

Jem: This is not practices issue but AT issue

Matt and Jem adding the comments to the issue

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