17:48:21 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #aria-apg
17:48:21 <RRSAgent> logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/04/26-aria-apg-irc
17:48:28 <Jem> rrsagent, make minutes
17:48:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/26-aria-apg-minutes.html Jem
17:52:38 <Jem> MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practice Guide
17:53:04 <Jem> rrsagent, make minutes
17:53:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/26-aria-apg-minutes.html Jem
17:53:18 <Jem> rrsagent, make log public
17:53:37 <Jem> Chair:Jemma
17:53:44 <Jem> Regret+ Mark
17:57:13 <Jem> Agenda+ Setup and review agenda
17:57:35 <Jem> agenda+ New APG issue triage https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+created%3A%3E2021-08-15+no%3Alabel+
17:57:55 <Jem> agenda+ File directory treeivew design updates
18:06:03 <siri> siri has joined #aria-apg
18:06:29 <Matt_King> Matt_King has joined #aria-apg
18:06:31 <Jem> present+ siri
18:06:34 <Rich_Noah> Rich_Noah has joined #aria-apg
18:06:39 <Matt_King> present+
18:06:39 <CurtBellew> CurtBellew has joined #aria-apg
18:06:43 <Rich_Noah> present+
18:07:16 <CurtBellew> present+
18:07:17 <Jem> scribe: Siri
18:07:29 <Jem> zakim, next iten
18:07:29 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next iten', Jem
18:07:31 <Jem> zakim, next item
18:07:31 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Setup and review agenda -- taken up [from Jem]
18:07:53 <jongunderson> jongunderson has joined #aria-apg
18:09:11 <Jem> added apg redesign project discussion to the meeting topic.
18:09:23 <Jem> clear agenda
18:09:43 <Jem> Topic: APG redesign project scope
18:10:45 <siri> seth: Met with Shawn at W3cC, and he opened with more issues
18:11:30 <Jem> s/Shawn/she/
18:11:54 <siri> More ambiguity which Shawn consider as blocking issue, need reconciliation on Shawn's issue
18:12:08 <s3ththompson> s3ththompson has joined #aria-apg
18:12:11 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/wai-aria-practices/projects/1
18:12:15 <s3ththompson> https://github.com/w3c/wai-aria-practices/projects/1
18:12:54 <siri> Matt_King: not sure what issues are blocking and what are not
18:13:06 <siri> Agrred to move the TOC
18:13:45 <siri> s/Agrred /Agreed/
18:14:05 <siri> Matt_King: 23 issues in backlog
18:14:33 <siri> s3ththompson: Rich and Seth prioritized the issues
18:15:05 <siri> Make best afford to address blocking issues
18:15:52 <siri> s/affrod/efford
18:16:19 <siri> s/afford/effort
18:16:21 <Jem> s/efford/efforts/
18:16:46 <siri> s3ththompson: Will move block of the issues to next step after this APG meeting
18:17:21 <siri> s3ththompson: Keep less on next step then Seth can commit
18:17:30 <siri> and inform Matt about it
18:18:45 <siri> Matt_King: "Skip to main"- what column should it be in
18:19:09 <Jem> APG group is checking the project progress from the APG redesign project board.
18:19:18 <siri> s3ththompson: First 6 are in up next
18:20:55 <siri> s3ththompson: Need decision on URL, can someone volunteer to be decider on few things
18:20:58 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/wai-aria-practices/issues/37
18:21:18 <siri> Matt_King: Volunteered to be decider
18:21:54 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/wai-aria-practices/issues/37#issuecomment-1098766449
18:22:15 <Jem> Matt's suggestion for new site is w3c.org/wai/apg
18:22:40 <siri> Matt_King: want to have short URLs, easy to understand and say
18:23:20 <siri> URL is not a place to spell things out, ambiguity will be there in URL
18:23:45 <siri> Jem: like the short URL
18:24:09 <siri> Can we note that aria related info is there in APG
18:24:46 <siri> Matt_King: APG brand need to changed. It is a practices guide
18:25:40 <siri> Matt_King: Don't recommend aria in the URL, many thing it is aria spec
18:26:06 <siri> Everyone is fine with the URL
18:26:27 <siri> Jem: will add comments to issue #37
18:27:22 <siri> s3ththompson: Work with Shawn regarding the consensus
18:28:27 <Jem> rrsagent, make minutes
18:28:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/26-aria-apg-minutes.html Jem
18:29:00 <Jem> rrsagent, make log public
18:29:11 <siri> Matt_King:  Any dependency on issue 37
18:29:24 <siri> s3ththompson: no dependency
18:29:30 <Jem> Topic: APG issue triage
18:29:55 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+created%3A%3E2021-08-15+no%3Alabel+
18:30:10 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2294
18:32:01 <Jem> https://www.w3.org/2022/04/19-aria-apg-minutes.html#t02
18:32:13 <siri> Matt_King: accessible name is set to true in Aria spec for list box
18:33:06 <siri> but in APG , there is language saying is listbox is controlled by combobox then there is no need of accessible name
18:33:24 <siri> In aria no language related to it
18:34:14 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/22932
18:34:17 <siri> Matt_King: go either way with Aria spec change with APG
18:34:29 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2293
18:35:18 <siri> James: currently validators should fail if listbox doesn't have accessible name
18:35:24 <Jem> Discussion about comboxbox and listbox with ARIA spec and validator
18:35:51 <siri> What benefit to a user when listbox with combox have name
18:36:56 <siri> Matt_King: on touch interface, when user navigates, screenreader narrates with option name
18:37:10 <siri> the accessible name too
18:38:01 <siri> Matt: no change no fix on aria side and fix the APG
18:38:21 <siri> Jon: fixed the issue
18:38:43 <siri> Matt: ANy issue raised requesting changing the pattern
18:39:20 <jongunderson> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2294
18:41:03 <jongunderson> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2290
18:42:42 <siri> James- Spec doesn't change and example will be fixed in APG
18:43:34 <siri> Jem: will add comment to issue #2290
18:44:31 <siri> Triage the issue 2294
18:45:06 <Matt_King> I don't uynderstand this phrase in the issue: This seems to give a false impression on when the usage of listbox in combination with combobox is possible.
18:45:15 <jamesn> jamesn has joined #aria-apg
18:47:40 <siri> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2294
18:48:15 <siri> in select-only combobox the selection is not changed automatically unless user selects an enter key
18:49:01 <siri> Matt_King: leaving a comment in the issue
18:49:43 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2031
18:49:56 <Jem> [Listbox] Pattern does not include guidance on aria-expanded but example does
18:50:59 <siri> Example in the issue is deprecated
18:51:19 <siri> Matt_King: commenting in the issue
18:51:42 <jongunderson> https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices/examples/combobox/combobox-select-only.html
18:52:32 <Jem> the last issue to trige is https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2030
18:54:59 <siri> iOS doesn't support aria-modal?
18:55:44 <siri> Jem: This is not practices issue but AT issue
18:56:00 <siri> Matt and Jem adding the comments to the issue
18:56:53 <Jem> rrsagent, make minutes
18:56:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/26-aria-apg-minutes.html Jem
20:20:13 <Zakim> Zakim has left #aria-apg