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13:05:06 <kaz> meeting: WoT Plugfest/Testing
13:05:36 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_McCool, Philipp_Blum, Tomoaki_Mizushima
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13:13:46 <citrullin> topic: Minutes
13:13:55 <citrullin> mm: We can't review the minutes right now, since they are broken.
13:15:03 <citrullin> scribenick: citrullin
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13:15:32 <McCool> https://www.w3.org/2022/Talks/0322-tools-ka/
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13:16:29 <citrullin> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:16:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/13-wot-pf-minutes.html citrullin
13:17:40 <citrullin> mm walks through the minutes. Kaz fixes permission issue for the minutes.
13:18:08 <citrullin> mm: any objections regarding the minutes?
13:18:16 <citrullin> ... no objections.
13:19:30 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:19:32 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:19:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
13:20:34 <citrullin> topic: Guidelines for manual.csv
13:20:44 <kaz> chair: McCool
13:21:08 <citrullin> mm: Ege, do you want to update the assertion tester?
13:21:33 <kaz> s|https://www.w3.org/2022/Talks/0322-tools-ka/|-> https://www.w3.org/2022/04/06-wot-pf-minutes.html Apr-6|
13:21:35 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:21:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
13:21:41 <citrullin> ek: There is this annoying pipeline issue. When I am lucky I notice it. I have to check if I am able to automate this.
13:22:13 <kaz> i/mm walks/(kaz fixes the permission of the minutes)/
13:22:22 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:22:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
13:23:00 <kaz> present+ Michael_Koster
13:23:20 <citrullin> some discussion between mm and ek regarding the assertion tester.
13:25:38 <citrullin> ek: The state has to be aligned between 3 different repositories. It adds some complexities, because they all have to up to date all the time.
13:25:40 <citrullin> q+
13:28:02 <citrullin> pb: I am not well aware of the details. But can't you use a submodule instead of 3 different repositories?
13:28:03 <citrullin> q-
13:28:38 <citrullin> mm: ek, can you write more about this?
13:29:37 <citrullin> ek explains some details of the tester and csv files.
13:30:05 <McCool_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/issues/292
13:30:11 <citrullin> mm: Document the process first is probably the best right now.
13:30:49 <citrullin> s/https/Update manual.csv for TD, document pipeline ->https/
13:32:03 <citrullin> subtopic: manual csv guidelines
13:32:20 <citrullin> Manual.csv Guideline -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/289
13:32:58 <citrullin> ek: Some assertions in the text are good enough. And some other things are more complex.
13:33:54 <citrullin> mm: Some things could be a MUST, but they are actually optional, because this MUST relies on being used in the first place.
13:35:51 <citrullin> mm: For now, you should just merge it. I am going to go over it and create a separated PR if necessary.
13:37:25 <citrullin> mm merged #289
13:37:35 <citrullin> subtopic: Ditto manual csv assertion
13:38:11 <citrullin> mm: The whole security needs to get a pass for now. We should go through the security later.
13:38:37 <citrullin> Add ditto manual csv -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/291
13:38:41 <McCool_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/290
13:39:01 <McCool_> which did some cleanup in the manual assertions, removing duplicates
13:39:05 <citrullin> s/https/remove duplicate assertions ->/
13:39:47 <citrullin> topic: Organization
13:39:48 <citrullin> mm: We should close some issues and not keep them around.
13:40:05 <citrullin> mm: ek, any things we should close?
13:40:44 <citrullin> ek: We use the wiki and github to track issues. I think github isn't a proper way to manage the projects.
13:41:09 <citrullin> mm: There are still issues hanging around that should be archived and later delete.
13:42:01 <citrullin> pb: How about, as action item, that everyone gets through their own issue and closes them, if not relevant anymore.
13:42:24 <citrullin> mm: We have the label proposed-closing. We can mark them and then go through them.
13:43:24 <citrullin> mm: For next time people can go through their own issues and close them if not relevant. But someone has to make the work and label them.
13:43:49 <citrullin> topic: Home Assistant
13:44:02 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:44:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
13:44:15 <citrullin> mm: I want to build a retail demo. We want to also use Node-Red integration.
13:44:26 <kaz> present+ David_Ezell
13:44:28 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:44:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
13:44:53 <citrullin> mm: I bought several sensor and devices compatible with HomeAssistant. I exposed them over HomeAssistant as TDs.
13:45:38 <citrullin> mm: I want to go through the HomeAssistant API, because it exposes some issues.
13:45:59 <citrullin> ... HomeAssistant uses Bearer tokens, which is good. We want to use that as well.
13:46:37 <citrullin> ... I want to add the necessary features in order to be exposed as a TDD. At least for the read part.
13:46:52 <kaz> i|We should close some|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/issues open Issues|
13:46:54 <citrullin> s/At least for the read part./A read only TDD/
13:46:54 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:49:22 <mjk> q?
13:50:24 <citrullin> pb: Have you looked into the implementation Jan wrote? From my experience it is the better implementation.
13:50:45 <citrullin> Node-RED WoT tutorial -> https://bind.systems/blog/web-of-things-node-red-temperature-oled/
13:52:20 <citrullin> node-red-contrib-wot-discovery extension -> https://flows.nodered.org/node/node-red-contrib-wot-discovery
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13:52:48 <citrullin> mm goes through some details of HomeAssistant and the mapping to WoT TDs
13:53:18 <kaz> s|->://|-> https://|
13:53:18 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:53:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
13:53:22 <kaz> q+
13:53:30 <citrullin> mm: I make some progress, but it isn't a clean 1to1 mapping. That adds some complexity.
13:53:52 <citrullin> q?
13:55:26 <citrullin> kaz: I would like to get action items for it. I guess this is part of the plugfest, right?
13:55:29 <citrullin> mm: Yes, it is.
13:56:14 <citrullin> mm: For the manual.csv we have to wait until it is frozen. We should also search for stale conversions.
13:56:48 <citrullin> kaz: For the implementation reports itself. Can we ask the people for feedback on those?
13:57:24 <citrullin> mm: I haven't regenerated them yet. We should probably ask people to do manual csvs. They could finish them until the end of the week.
13:57:25 <kaz> s/kaz: I would like to get action items for it. I guess this is part of the plugfest, right?/kaz given we have 5 more minutes, we should clarify the next steps. First, when we could start to ask people to give their feedback? Second this home assistant topic might be rather part of the Plugfest topic than Testing, but how should we proceed with that direction?/
13:57:54 <citrullin> ek: People shouldn't wait for manual.csv to be stable, because the spec isn't stable.
13:58:09 <citrullin> mm: When I see manual csvs, I merge them.
13:58:18 <kaz> q?
13:58:19 <kaz> ack k
13:58:43 <citrullin> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:58:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/13-wot-pf-minutes.html citrullin
13:59:15 <kaz> [adjourned]
13:59:20 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:59:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/13-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
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