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14:18:08 <John> Scribe: John=John Lumley
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14:21:15 <John> chair: Steven = Steven Pemberton
14:21:44 <John> Meeting: ixml Community Group
14:22:12 <John> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2022/04/05-ixml-minutes
14:23:09 <norm> You volunteering to take my scribing slot, John?
14:23:26 <John> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Apr/0026.html
14:24:21 <norm> Last week. That's about the past, isn't it? I don't do the past. Or the future. And barely the present. But thank you, kindly.
14:24:34 <norm> I'll take my lumps next week.
14:24:40 <John> rrsagent make minutes
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14:28:24 <John> Present: John, norm
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14:29:08 <John> present+: Michael Sperberg-McQueen
14:30:38 <John> Present+: Tomos Hillman
14:31:19 <John> Present+: Steven, Bethan Tovey-Walsh
14:33:12 <John> Topic: Previous Actions
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14:35:14 <John> Issue - dynamic error in test catalog schema - ready to pull into GIT - Michael
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14:38:46 <John_> Action-002 - STeven implemented '**' and '++' operators
14:38:55 <John_> s/St/st/
14:39:16 <John_> Action-003: Error code linkages added - done
14:40:24 <John_> Action-004: Namespace for error decided
14:41:01 <John_> Topic: Status Reports
14:41:26 <John_> Implementations require some changes for changes in spec. and syntax
14:41:50 <John_> Action: Norm to update the schema for the testsuite to the current spec.
14:43:18 <John_> Tomos: we may need some alterations for the proposal on added suffix spaces with some punctuation
14:43:21 <John_> Topic: Review of bug reports and technical issues
14:43:45 <John_> RRSAgent, make minutes
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14:44:51 <John_> Issues 60, 59, 57 and 48 have been completed
14:46:00 <John_> Issues open for Norm now completed
14:46:30 <John_> Michael: conformance of grammars #43 - fixed - can now be closed
14:47:33 <John_> Michael #28 (desiderata) now finished - can be closed
14:48:01 <John_> s/ata/ata for ixml schema/
14:49:44 <John_> Michael: perhaps need two schemas - a simple (narrow) one and a (broad) one with namespace etc bells and whistles. If anyone is unhappy about this - please holler. Michael to make the decision
14:50:47 <John_> Issue#26 - Michael not completely happy - implies differences of opinion about ambiguity amongst the different parser implementations.
14:51:39 <John_> ... No general definition of ambiguity with BNF. A concrete proposal in  comment in the issue
14:52:22 <John_> ... Perhaps this should be in parsing rather than conformance.
14:52:43 <John_> Action: Steven - to review the ambiguity text should end up
14:53:10 <John_> Issue#19 can now be closed (one rule per non-terminal)
14:53:21 <John_> Topic: New Issues
14:55:31 <John_> Use of 's' and 'S' now to be deprecated in favour of other forms, eg. 's' and 'RS' (Required space)
14:55:45 <John_> Action: Steven - Steven to review this option.
14:56:14 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
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14:56:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/12-ixml-minutes.html Steven
14:59:15 <John_> Issue #66 - Namespace proposal to be reviewed by the group
15:01:17 <John_> ACTION: All - Review of the namespace proposal
15:02:07 <John_> Michael: existence of a default namespace is not a breaking issue for me
15:03:42 <John_> Steven: is the intention to allow prefixes or allow namespaces?
15:04:18 <John_> Tomos: Using prefix rather than default should be easier for users
15:04:56 <John_> ... prolog for the declarations and prefixes on the names
15:06:00 <John_> Issue #63 - optional version
15:06:52 <John_> Norm: We've left almost no option for grammar extensions, hence the need to identify which grammar version is being used.
15:07:33 <John_> ... described just as a string...
15:08:54 <John_> Michael: XML experience suggest that 1.0 processors do not reject higher/different version numbers...
15:09:12 <John_> s/do not/should not/
15:10:00 <John_> ... A 1.0 processor shouldn't reject a 1.0+ gramar out of hand but do their best to parse it... An issue to discuss
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15:15:54 <John_> Action: Norm to produce some spec. prose on the version (conformance) issue
15:16:59 <John_> Issue #51 - needs some review from Michael before closing
15:18:04 <John_> Action: Norm - Improve the README
15:19:33 <John_> s/ME/ME - what format - Markdown or HTML/
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15:20:43 <John_> Tomos: Are all happy with adding a prolog into the grammar?
15:20:52 <John_> Norm: seems to make sense
15:21:27 <John_> Michael: inclinde to have the prolog non-empty and optional...
15:21:44 <John_> s/inclinde/inclined/
15:27:52 <John_> ACTION: Tomos to ensure all can see the Balisage paper
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15:29:02 <John_> Norm scribe for next week
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