IRC log of ixml on 2022-04-12

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Scribe: John=John Lumley

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chair: Steven = Steven Pemberton

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Meeting: ixml Community Group

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previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2022/04/05-ixml-minutes

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You volunteering to take my scribing slot, John?

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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Apr/0026.html

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Last week. That's about the past, isn't it? I don't do the past. Or the future. And barely the present. But thank you, kindly.

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I'll take my lumps next week.

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Present: John, norm

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present+: Michael Sperberg-McQueen

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Present+: Tomos Hillman

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Present+: Steven, Bethan Tovey-Walsh

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Topic: Previous Actions

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Issue - dynamic error in test catalog schema - ready to pull into GIT - Michael

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Action-002 - STeven implemented '**' and '++' operators

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s/St/st/

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Action-003: Error code linkages added - done

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Action-004: Namespace for error decided

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Topic: Status Reports

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Implementations require some changes for changes in spec. and syntax

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Action: Norm to update the schema for the testsuite to the current spec.

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Tomos: we may need some alterations for the proposal on added suffix spaces with some punctuation

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Topic: Review of bug reports and technical issues

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Issues 60, 59, 57 and 48 have been completed

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Issues open for Norm now completed

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Michael: conformance of grammars #43 - fixed - can now be closed

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Michael #28 (desiderata) now finished - can be closed

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s/ata/ata for ixml schema/

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Michael: perhaps need two schemas - a simple (narrow) one and a (broad) one with namespace etc bells and whistles. If anyone is unhappy about this - please holler. Michael to make the decision

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Issue#26 - Michael not completely happy - implies differences of opinion about ambiguity amongst the different parser implementations.

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... No general definition of ambiguity with BNF. A concrete proposal in comment in the issue

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... Perhaps this should be in parsing rather than conformance.

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Action: Steven - to review the ambiguity text should end up

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Issue#19 can now be closed (one rule per non-terminal)

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Topic: New Issues

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Use of 's' and 'S' now to be deprecated in favour of other forms, eg. 's' and 'RS' (Required space)

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Action: Steven - Steven to review this option.

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Issue #66 - Namespace proposal to be reviewed by the group

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ACTION: All - Review of the namespace proposal

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Michael: existence of a default namespace is not a breaking issue for me

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Steven: is the intention to allow prefixes or allow namespaces?

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Tomos: Using prefix rather than default should be easier for users

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... prolog for the declarations and prefixes on the names

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Issue #63 - optional version

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Norm: We've left almost no option for grammar extensions, hence the need to identify which grammar version is being used.

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... described just as a string...

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Michael: XML experience suggest that 1.0 processors do not reject higher/different version numbers...

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s/do not/should not/

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... A 1.0 processor shouldn't reject a 1.0+ gramar out of hand but do their best to parse it... An issue to discuss

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Action: Norm to produce some spec. prose on the version (conformance) issue

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Issue #51 - needs some review from Michael before closing

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Action: Norm - Improve the README

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s/ME/ME - what format - Markdown or HTML/

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Tomos: Are all happy with adding a prolog into the grammar?

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Norm: seems to make sense

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Michael: inclinde to have the prolog non-empty and optional...

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s/inclinde/inclined/

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ACTION: Tomos to ensure all can see the Balisage paper

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Norm scribe for next week

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