represents the value 18:15:11 like don't put anything in the

that becomes the value 18:15:43 James: Good to put that info so that people won't put wrong info 18:16:50 Jon: Can we change and make it make explicit the content regarding the 18:17:41 James: Waiting for core AAM issues are solved 1.2 is ready to publish 18:18:13 MK: issue #2287 18:18:26 github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2287 18:19:33 github:https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/1476 18:19:46 topic: Two-state checkbox 18:20:01 github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2287 18:20:05 github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2287 18:21:35 MK: About the tab target size at a certain break point 18:21:51 Jon: we are developing a responsive library 18:22:18 Jon: we are not developing responsive library 18:22:37 https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices-1.2/examples/checkbox/checkbox.html 18:22:41 James: In 1.2 this is changed 18:22:56 The hit point includes the label and checkbox 18:23:38 MK: Jem is updating the issue with the updated example 18:25:04 Topic:checkbox and datepicker-dialog have tables with empty headers #2285 18:25:11 Topic: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2285 18:25:54 Mk: this is an editorial issue 18:27:18 MK: change to 18:28:17 Jem: 1.2 looks correct 18:28:40 It is maintaining checkbox an ddialog 18:29:25 s/ an/ and 18:29:40 s/ ddialog /dialog 18:30:11 Jon will fix the issue 18:30:48 James:The first and second are blank then they need to be blank 18:31:14 MK: there will no but will ne empty 18:31:24 s/ne/be 18:32:07 MK: roles can be implicit or explicit. We have explicit roles 18:33:37 James: It is 4 column table, the first cell be non-blank 18:34:29 If you move down the row, some marked as heading and some not, will that not be confusing 18:36:09 James: either row column jumping around or empty will create confusion 18:36:25 Jon is in process of fixing issue 18:36:49 Topic:Remove JsDocs Warnings #2039 18:38:03 github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2039 18:38:15 Rich: Js.doc, is warning about blank *, white space, as discussion few days ago about auto fixes 18:38:59 MK: They were showing up on the files tab, hope everyones comments are wrt JS.doc 18:39:22 Howard has no questions 18:40:00 Topic: Menubar PR 18:40:01 https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2266 18:40:58 MK: Getting authentication issue when pushing to repo 18:41:38 github:https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2266 18:41:46 MK: The content is not clear about tab moves in and out of menubar 18:42:38 Matt made changes to the content and when it is pushed, ask people for review 18:42:52 jongunderson has joined #aria-apg 18:43:14 howard-e has joined #aria-apg 18:43:22 Matt_King has joined #aria-apg 18:43:42 MK: Don't know if these are APG issues 18:45:23 Rich_Noah has joined #aria-apg 18:45:39 Matt has made some slight revision to make it clear. 18:45:39 Topic: Vnu-jar issue 18:45:39 https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2082 18:45:40 https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2082#issuecomment-955762371 18:45:40 error: The “role” attribute must not be used on a “tr” element which has a “table” ancestor with no “role” attribute, or with a “role” attribute whose value is “table”, “grid”, or “treegrid”. 18:46:04 MK: Putting roles on Tree grid 18:47:49 role= row, there is no way to satisfy this linter and hope Michael will change it 18:48:59 Comments from Zoe in the issue: It seems as though the error is correct? The treegrid example has and . According to ARIA in HTML the shouldn’t have that role? The validator is merely showing that? Am I misunderstanding the issue? Digging a bit further:

test

results in: error: The “role” attribute must not be used on a “tr” elemen[CUT] 18:50:58 if you remove role=row, validator throws error as has no aria-posinset or aria-setsize 18:52:09 aria-level="1" aria-posinset="1" aria-setsize="1" aria-expanded="true 18:52:17 "Therefore, authors MUST NOT apply aria-expanded, aria-posinset, aria-setsize, and aria-level to a row that descends from a table or grid, and user agents SHOULD NOT expose any of these four properties to assistive technologies unless the row descends from a treegrid." 18:52:39 James: This is validator bug, when row is within the tree grid aria-posinset , aria-setsize, aria-expanded, aria-level 18:53:21 If the context of in the grid then validator should support these 4 attributes 18:55:41 Mk: aria-posinset , aria-setsize,aria-expanded are supported only on tree grid 18:55:47 not on grid 18:57:04 If element is child of tree grid , it can have aria-expanded, aria-posinset, aria-setsize, and aria-level 18:57:59 Jon will raise issue for validator 18:58:59 Mk: remaining all warnings 18:59:12 MK: remaining all are warnings 18:59:47 rsagent, make minutes 18:59:59 rrsagent, make minutes 18:59:59 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/12-aria-apg-minutes.html Jem 20:20:51 zcorpan has joined #aria-apg 20:22:45 Zakim has left #aria-apg 20:26:34 Jem has joined #aria-apg