11:03:58 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #wot-marketing
11:03:58 <RRSAgent> logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/04/05-wot-marketing-irc
11:04:35 <kaz> meeting: WoT Marketing
11:04:48 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan
11:05:59 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
11:06:03 <cris> cris has joined #wot-marketing
11:06:07 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
11:06:17 <cris> topic: previous minutes
11:06:45 <cris> ege: last week we started with minutes review then we looked in two WoT implementations like WoT dart
11:07:01 <kaz> s/last/scribenick: cris/
11:07:03 <cris> ... after that we reviewed issues
11:07:17 <cris> ... one was about where to store articles
11:07:21 <kaz> i|ast week|-> https://www.w3.org/2022/03/29-wot-marketing-minutes.html Mar-29|
11:07:35 <cris> ... I had to contact sys team
11:07:39 <cris> ... but I didn't
11:07:44 <cris> ... I'll do it
11:07:56 <cris> ... finally we discussed about CG collaboration
11:08:05 <cris> ... now we have three issues
11:08:20 <kaz> present+ Michael_McCool
11:08:33 <cris> ... we also openly discussed about expectations
11:09:24 <cris> ... minor issues with links to issues
11:09:53 <cris> mc: I would like to discuss about the issues I think they did not represent what we discussed about
11:10:02 <cris> ege: minutes approved
11:10:11 <cris> topic: Pull requests
11:10:37 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
11:10:41 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:10:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/05-wot-marketing-minutes.html kaz
11:10:42 <cris> subtopic: PR 297
11:10:53 <cris> ege: netify configuration
11:10:53 <McCool> McCool has joined #wot-marketing
11:11:29 <cris> ... anything against merging it?
11:11:39 <cris> dape: looks good
11:12:07 <kaz> i|netify|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pull/297 PR 297 - https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pull/297
11:12:11 <kaz> q+
11:12:16 <cris> subtopic: PR 300
11:12:33 <cris> s/subtopic: PR 300//
11:12:53 <cris> kaz: JP comunnity group is using doc zarus as documentation engine
11:13:00 <cris> ... it might be an alternative
11:13:08 <cris> ... we should look at it
11:13:17 <kaz> s/netify/netlify/
11:13:23 <cris> ege: I think is an alternative to jekill
11:13:40 <cris> ... thanks I'll look into it
11:13:43 <cris> ... quite nice
11:13:50 <Ege> q?
11:13:50 <cris> q?
11:13:54 <kaz> ack k
11:14:16 <kaz> i|think is|-> https://docusaurus.io Docusaurus|
11:14:16 <cris> subtopic: PR 300
11:14:28 <cris> ege: related to issue 297, there are different styles in the list of the tools
11:14:41 <cris> s/297/280/
11:15:07 <cris> ... I format the list to have a consistent code style
11:15:12 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pull/297 PR 297 - https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pull/297|https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pull/297 PR 297 - Add Netlify and Daylight Saving information to readme|
11:15:21 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
11:15:24 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:15:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/05-wot-marketing-minutes.html kaz
11:15:29 <cris> ... I also moved some tools
11:15:38 <kaz> chair: Ege
11:16:19 <kaz> s/scribenick: cris week/last week/
11:16:21 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:16:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/05-wot-marketing-minutes.html kaz
11:17:07 <cris> ... I updated also some tool description, I'll ask feedback to the implementers
11:17:11 <cris> ... is it fine?
11:17:24 <cris> dape: didn't have time to look into it, but looks fine
11:17:32 <cris> ege: we can wait
11:17:38 <cris> ... and merge it during the week
11:18:43 <cris> ... adding reviewers
11:20:07 <cris> subtopic: PR 301
11:20:47 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:20:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/05-wot-marketing-minutes.html kaz
11:20:52 <cris> ege: I saw in different projects that they have an edit on github button
11:21:05 <cris> ... so I added it with this PR
11:21:11 <cris> ... it should be in every page
11:21:35 <kaz> i|related to issue 280|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pull/300 PR 300 - Unify tool information and reorg categories
11:21:48 <cris> mc: is there some way to gather information about people?
11:22:04 <cris> ... do we want more than the github handle?
11:22:04 <cris> ... email?
11:22:20 <cris> ege: I think anonymous is fine
11:22:27 <cris> q+
11:22:27 <dape> q+
11:22:44 <cris> mc: we need to be careful to merge random content
11:22:49 <cris> ege: I agree
11:23:05 <kaz> i|I saw in|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pull/301 PR 301 - Add edit page button on all pages|
11:23:05 <cris> ... the feature is meant to easy fixes
11:23:29 <cris> mc: It might be better to reprase the button to suggest changes
11:23:40 <cris> dape: is not really anonymous
11:23:46 <cris> ... you still have github handle
11:24:36 <kaz> q+
11:24:39 <kaz> ack c
11:24:41 <kaz> ack d
11:25:48 <cris> cris: we can use PR templates to ask questions to people right after the create the suggestion
11:26:40 <dape> ack dape
11:26:57 <cris> ... plus I would suggest to improve the look of the edit button
11:27:17 <cris> kaz: I want to understand the purpose of this addition
11:27:34 <cris> ... do we really want to give everybody the ability to change pages?
11:27:43 <cris> ege: they can already do this
11:27:59 <cris> kaz: not really they need to join the WG/IG and follow the procedures
11:28:38 <cris> ... people need to understand how to edit the page
11:29:12 <cris> ... we should rather think about how to manage resources etc.
11:29:37 <cris> ege: I think we can allow everybody to edit the page
11:30:08 <cris> kaz: yeah exactly but is this something that we want? will the group by ok with it?
11:31:02 <cris> ... it might be problematic to handle PRs from outsiders
11:31:11 <mlagally> mlagally has joined #wot-marketing
11:31:27 <mlagally> q+
11:31:37 <cris> cris: I agree defining a policy would be nice
11:31:40 <cris> q?
11:31:48 <kaz> ack k
11:32:52 <cris> ml: question about the policy. Previously we had a resolution that every changes in the marketing pages should follow a resolution in the main call
11:33:07 <cris> ege: we edited some content without resolutions
11:33:11 <cris> ... like tooling etc.
11:33:36 <cris> ml: I'd be cautious to do significant changes without group agreement
11:33:57 <cris> ege: I agree, for example the next PR will be subject to a resolution in the Main call
11:35:10 <kaz> present+ Michael_Lagally
11:35:13 <cris_> cris_ has joined #wot-marketing
11:35:15 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:35:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/05-wot-marketing-minutes.html kaz
11:35:17 <kaz> q?
11:35:20 <kaz> ack ml
11:35:37 <kaz> q+
11:35:44 <cris_> ege: added a page about articles (maybe even scientific one)
11:35:52 <cris_> ml: this is an important difference
11:36:12 <cris_> ... Press release is different from Scientific Article
11:36:25 <cris_> ... it would be questionable if it should be listed here
11:36:32 <cris_> ege: we'll have two different tabs
11:36:48 <cris_> ml: everybody can write an aritcle
11:36:57 <cris_> s/aritcle/article/
11:37:01 <cris_> q?
11:37:28 <cris_> ege: shouldn't we have this 3rd parties articles?
11:37:47 <McCool> q+
11:37:49 <cris_> ml: it should be very clear that the content is not endorsed by us
11:38:00 <cris_> s/endorsed/published/
11:38:13 <cris_> ege: to me it will be a tab like 3rd party articles
11:38:14 <cris_> q?
11:38:15 <Ege> q?
11:38:23 <cris_> kaz: two comments
11:38:46 <cris_> ... press release is not done by the WoT WG by W3C as a all
11:38:52 <cris_> ... what is the purpose of this article page?
11:40:04 <cris_> ... W3C has mechanisms to list scientific articles
11:40:09 <cris_> ...we might use it
11:40:28 <cris_> ege: yes we want to list all possible articles
11:40:43 <cris_> ... any kind of article that contains WoT related information
11:40:54 <cris_> ... the goal is to represent the community interest about WoT
11:41:13 <kaz> s/mechanism to list scientific articles/import all the resources mentioning "WoT", which was already implemented within the old WoT WG page/
11:41:18 <cris_> ... about HOW to include it, it would be interesting to re-use the tool you mentioned
11:41:48 <cris_> mc: ml's comment reminded to me if the website is a product of the WG or CG
11:42:01 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:42:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/05-wot-marketing-minutes.html kaz
11:42:09 <cris_> ... it would automatically solve some of the issues that we've just discussed
11:42:30 <cris_> ml: I agree
11:42:35 <cris_> ... CG is very free
11:42:47 <kaz> s/mechanisms to list scientific articles/import all the resources mentioning "WoT", which was already implemented within the old WoT WG page/
11:42:50 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:42:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/05-wot-marketing-minutes.html kaz
11:43:16 <cris_> mc: the default could be CG, but we can have WG pages
11:43:42 <cris_> ... regarding articles we can use reverse cronological order to keep them updated
11:44:01 <kaz> s/W3C has import/W3C has a feed mechanism to import/
11:44:01 <cris_> topic: CG collaboration
11:44:11 <cris_> ege: last week we closed an issue
11:44:18 <kaz> s/we might use it/we might want to re-use it/
11:44:20 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:44:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/05-wot-marketing-minutes.html kaz
11:44:42 <cris_> ... I'm talking about issue #286
11:45:14 <cris_> ... now we have three different discussions about the point spawned last week
11:46:20 <cris_> ... mc do you wanted to review the topics?
11:46:55 <kaz> s/286/288/
11:47:05 <cris_> mc: I would expected to see working style in the tile
11:47:12 <kaz> i|last week|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/288 Issue 288 - Collaboration with WoT CG|
11:47:12 <cris_> s/tile/title/
11:47:17 <cris_> ege: updated
11:47:20 <Ege> q?
11:47:22 <kaz> q+
11:47:27 <McCool> ack m
11:47:30 <kaz> ack k
11:47:30 <kaz> ack m
11:47:32 <kaz> q+
11:48:21 <cris_> kaz: if we (marketing TF) would like to ask the CG to work about the maintenance of the Website
11:48:31 <cris_> ... we should discuss it right now
11:49:12 <cris_> ege: ok than you are suggesting to clarify the expectations about the editing of the Webpages
11:49:48 <cris_> kaz: yes surely the maintenance of the web pages should be included in the expectation discussion
11:50:32 <McCool> q+
11:50:32 <cris_> ege: ml what do you think about CG as Web page maintainer?
11:50:56 <cris_> ml: I would not advice to have it as the maintainer more like an active outreach of the community
11:51:07 <cris_> ... like talking, socialize etc.
11:51:12 <kaz> s/yes surely the maintenance of the web pages/not only maintaining the Web pages/
11:51:17 <kaz> ack k
11:51:23 <cris_> ... maybe forming an implementers group
11:51:42 <cris_> ege: ok then no expectations about the webpages
11:51:45 <cris_> ml: right
11:52:29 <cris_> mc: to be clear maitaining the web page is not between the WG/IG duties too
11:52:44 <kaz> s/ok than/ok, then/
11:52:47 <cris_> ... there's a fuzzy line between outreaching the community and update pages
11:53:07 <cris_> ... I think some pages should be updated by the CG
11:53:19 <kaz> q?
11:53:21 <kaz> ack m
11:53:31 <kaz> q+
11:53:40 <cris_> q?
11:53:48 <cris_> q+
11:53:51 <cris_> ege: I agree
11:54:09 <cris_> ... wg/ig should work only on technical report
11:54:20 <Ege> q?
11:55:16 <kaz> ack k
11:55:30 <cris_> kaz: I'm not suggesting anything, we should group clearify the expections of ourselves as members of the IG
11:56:00 <cris_> ... Japanese CG is working on 4 topics
11:56:19 <cris_> ... in my opionion we should create a list of topics too
11:56:36 <cris_> ege: I agree
11:57:34 <kaz> s/I'm not suggesting anything, we should group clearify/I'm not suggesting anything myself, but we should clarify our own expectations as the WoT IG/
11:57:51 <kaz> s/Japanese CG/for example, the WoT Japanese CG/
11:58:15 <kaz> s/4 topics/4 topics, outreach, deployment, use cases and translation/
11:58:30 <kaz> s/topics too/topics like that/
11:59:11 <cris> cris has joined #wot-marketing
11:59:42 <cris> cris: I agree with having a list of topics, plus giving the ability to edit the website
11:59:55 <cris> ml: why don't create a page dedicated to the CG?
12:00:22 <kaz> s/don't create/don't we create/
12:00:26 <cris> ege: there is more content related to the CG/IG than WG
12:01:32 <cris> q?
12:01:39 <cris> ack cris
12:01:56 <kaz> (we'll continue the discussion)
12:01:59 <kaz> [adjourned]
12:02:04 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:02:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/05-wot-marketing-minutes.html kaz
13:07:42 <mlagally> mlagally has joined #wot-marketing
13:07:42 <Mizushima> Mizushima has joined #wot-marketing
14:08:39 <Zakim> Zakim has left #wot-marketing
15:17:29 <kaz> kaz has joined #wot-marketing