IRC log of forms on 2022-03-25
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- Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
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- Date: 25 March 2022
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- Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2022/02/25-forms-minutes
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- Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Mar/0008
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- Chair: Steven
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/25-forms-minutes.html Steven
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- Topic: ACTION-2309: Research xpath3 function definitions (Erik)
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Jan/0011
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- Erik: In XPath there's no way to define a named function. In XQuery there is.
- 14:03:08 [Steven]
- ... is there anything we can use from XPath that we should/could use to define a function element, instead of what we now have. There's not much that makes sense I think.
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- ... If we adopt the XQuery syntax,
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- ... we would still have to parse that specific syntax with an enclosing element
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- ... I conclude that we aren't far from that, using a function element. I'n not sure adding another element, and using XQuery sysntax
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- s/sys/sy/
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- Alain: It could be the HTML script element
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- Erik: You'd have to parse that part of XQuery
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- Steven: Is your conclusion that we don't have to replace what we currently have?
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- Alain: Yess.
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- Alain: OK with me.
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- s/Yess/yes/
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- Steven: Then lot's close this as done.
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- Topic: ACTION-2315: Report on event handling in web components (Erik)
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Jan/0020
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- Erik: Continues
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- Topic: ACTION-2312: Devise text for submission using @value (Steven)
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Feb/0005
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- (Also covers ACTION-2317: Include submit-serialize in submission using
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- @value
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- and ACTION-2318: Add new submission text to spec)
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- Closing this
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- trackbot, close ACTION-2312
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- Closed ACTION-2312.
- 14:08:10 [Steven]
- trackbot, close ACTION-2317
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- Closed ACTION-2317.
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- trackbot, close ACTION-2318
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- Closed ACTION-2318.
- 14:08:30 [Steven]
- Topic: ACTION-2314: Compose text that matches the <control/> discussion for
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- mirroring (Steven)
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Feb/0001
- 14:09:23 [Steven]
- Erik: Alain had raised the point that there is a securiyt issue.
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- s/securiyt/security
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- Topic: ACTION-2313: Research the alternatives for 'dirty' data, and produce
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- code in all of them for comparison (Steven)
- 14:09:55 [Steven]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Jan/0012
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- Steven: Continues
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- Topic: State change events
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- https://www.w3.org/2018/09/26-forms-minutes.html#item05
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- Erik: I have problems with what a value is, and I don't think we had a conclusion to that discussion.
- 14:14:47 [Steven]
- Steven: <y use case was a value that I wanted to catch because a data structure changed size accordingly, but the value changed as a result of a computation. I had to make a fake input control just in order to catch the value changes
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- s/<y/My/
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- Erik: We support <var> in the model for computations.
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- .... In the view (not specified in the spec I believe), we support value-changed
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- ... so we might be able to use <var> in the model as a source of value-changed events.
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- s/..../.../
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- Erik: I'm thinking on the fly here.
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- ... it might be an option.
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- Topic: Submission echo
- 14:17:59 [Steven]
- https://www.w3.org/2017/07/05-forms-minutes.html#item06
- 14:20:31 [Steven]
- Steven: Erik said "use a schame", but that is hard.
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- Erik: We do everything as when using http:, but we use a scheme, that gets put in a response body, etc
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- ... and then everything happens as if an http submission
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- Alain: I use the debugger to look at what is submitted. Not so useful for me.
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- Steven: What about a method?
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- Erik: It impacts the serialisation
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- Steven: We could just hijack or steal a scheme
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- https://www.iana.org/assignments/uri-schemes/uri-schemes.xhtml
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- ACTION: Steven investigate the work required for a scheme registration.
- 14:26:35 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2319 - Investigate the work required for a scheme registration. [on Steven Pemberton - due 2022-04-01].
- 14:26:56 [Steven]
- Alain: How about simulating a response?
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- ... so you could specify a response.
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- Steven: Needs thought.
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- ACTION: Alain to suggest a method of specifying a response for an echo
- 14:28:39 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2320 - Suggest a method of specifying a response for an echo [on Alain Couthures - due 2022-04-01].
- 14:31:29 [Steven]
- Topic: AOB
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- Steven: Can we move to a different day?
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- [Discussion: No]
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- Steven: If it would ever becoame possible, a day other than Friday or Tuesday at this time would make life easier for me.
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- [ADJOURN]
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- Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
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- s/lot's/lets/
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- trackbot, close ACTION-2309
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- Closed ACTION-2309.
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- s/schame/scheme
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- s/becoame/become
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