IRC log of forms on 2022-03-25

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Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
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Date: 25 March 2022
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Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2022/02/25-forms-minutes
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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Mar/0008
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Chair: Steven
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/25-forms-minutes.html Steven
14:01:41 [Steven]
Topic: ACTION-2309: Research xpath3 function definitions (Erik)
14:01:41 [Steven]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Jan/0011
14:02:13 [Steven]
Erik: In XPath there's no way to define a named function. In XQuery there is.
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... is there anything we can use from XPath that we should/could use to define a function element, instead of what we now have. There's not much that makes sense I think.
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... If we adopt the XQuery syntax,
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... we would still have to parse that specific syntax with an enclosing element
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... I conclude that we aren't far from that, using a function element. I'n not sure adding another element, and using XQuery sysntax
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s/sys/sy/
14:04:38 [Steven]
Alain: It could be the HTML script element
14:04:59 [Steven]
Erik: You'd have to parse that part of XQuery
14:05:44 [Steven]
Steven: Is your conclusion that we don't have to replace what we currently have?
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Alain: Yess.
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Alain: OK with me.
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s/Yess/yes/
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Steven: Then lot's close this as done.
14:07:00 [Steven]
Topic: ACTION-2315: Report on event handling in web components (Erik)
14:07:00 [Steven]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Jan/0020
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Erik: Continues
14:07:21 [Steven]
Topic: ACTION-2312: Devise text for submission using @value (Steven)
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Feb/0005
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(Also covers ACTION-2317: Include submit-serialize in submission using
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@value
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and ACTION-2318: Add new submission text to spec)
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Closing this
14:08:03 [Steven]
trackbot, close ACTION-2312
14:08:04 [trackbot]
Closed ACTION-2312.
14:08:10 [Steven]
trackbot, close ACTION-2317
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Closed ACTION-2317.
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trackbot, close ACTION-2318
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Closed ACTION-2318.
14:08:30 [Steven]
Topic: ACTION-2314: Compose text that matches the <control/> discussion for
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mirroring (Steven)
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Feb/0001
14:09:23 [Steven]
Erik: Alain had raised the point that there is a securiyt issue.
14:09:35 [Steven]
s/securiyt/security
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Topic: ACTION-2313: Research the alternatives for 'dirty' data, and produce
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code in all of them for comparison (Steven)
14:09:55 [Steven]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Jan/0012
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Steven: Continues
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Topic: State change events
14:11:42 [Steven]
https://www.w3.org/2018/09/26-forms-minutes.html#item05
14:12:22 [Steven]
Erik: I have problems with what a value is, and I don't think we had a conclusion to that discussion.
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Steven: <y use case was a value that I wanted to catch because a data structure changed size accordingly, but the value changed as a result of a computation. I had to make a fake input control just in order to catch the value changes
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s/<y/My/
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Erik: We support <var> in the model for computations.
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.... In the view (not specified in the spec I believe), we support value-changed
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... so we might be able to use <var> in the model as a source of value-changed events.
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s/..../.../
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Erik: I'm thinking on the fly here.
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... it might be an option.
14:17:59 [Steven]
Topic: Submission echo
14:17:59 [Steven]
https://www.w3.org/2017/07/05-forms-minutes.html#item06
14:20:31 [Steven]
Steven: Erik said "use a schame", but that is hard.
14:21:14 [Steven]
Erik: We do everything as when using http:, but we use a scheme, that gets put in a response body, etc
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... and then everything happens as if an http submission
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Alain: I use the debugger to look at what is submitted. Not so useful for me.
14:22:52 [Steven]
Steven: What about a method?
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Erik: It impacts the serialisation
14:23:57 [Steven]
Steven: We could just hijack or steal a scheme
14:24:52 [Steven]
https://www.iana.org/assignments/uri-schemes/uri-schemes.xhtml
14:26:35 [Steven]
ACTION: Steven investigate the work required for a scheme registration.
14:26:35 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-2319 - Investigate the work required for a scheme registration. [on Steven Pemberton - due 2022-04-01].
14:26:56 [Steven]
Alain: How about simulating a response?
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... so you could specify a response.
14:28:13 [Steven]
Steven: Needs thought.
14:28:39 [Steven]
ACTION: Alain to suggest a method of specifying a response for an echo
14:28:39 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-2320 - Suggest a method of specifying a response for an echo [on Alain Couthures - due 2022-04-01].
14:31:29 [Steven]
Topic: AOB
14:31:40 [Steven]
Steven: Can we move to a different day?
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[Discussion: No]
14:32:25 [Steven]
Steven: If it would ever becoame possible, a day other than Friday or Tuesday at this time would make life easier for me.
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[ADJOURN]
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Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
14:32:46 [Steven]
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14:33:22 [Steven]
s/lot's/lets/
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trackbot, close ACTION-2309
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Closed ACTION-2309.
14:34:30 [Steven]
s/schame/scheme
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s/becoame/become
14:35:17 [Steven]
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