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13:57:13 <trackbot> Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
13:57:13 <trackbot> Date: 25 March 2022
13:57:49 <Steven> Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2022/02/25-forms-minutes
13:58:15 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Mar/0008
13:58:23 <Steven> Chair: Steven
13:58:27 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
13:58:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/25-forms-minutes.html Steven
14:01:41 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2309: Research xpath3 function definitions (Erik)
14:01:41 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Jan/0011
14:02:13 <Steven> Erik: In XPath there's no way to define a named function. In XQuery there is.
14:03:08 <Steven> ... is there anything we can use from XPath that we should/could use to define a function element, instead of what we now have. There's not much that makes sense I think.
14:03:17 <Steven> ... If we adopt the XQuery syntax,
14:03:34 <Steven> ... we would still have to parse that specific syntax with an enclosing element
14:04:20 <Steven> ... I conclude that we aren't far from that, using a function element. I'n not sure adding another element, and using XQuery sysntax
14:04:26 <Steven> s/sys/sy/
14:04:38 <Steven> Alain: It could be the HTML script element
14:04:59 <Steven> Erik: You'd have to parse that part of XQuery
14:05:44 <Steven> Steven: Is your conclusion that we don't have to replace what we currently have?
14:06:21 <Steven> Alain: Yess.
14:06:27 <Steven> Alain: OK with me.
14:06:31 <Steven> s/Yess/yes/
14:06:52 <Steven> Steven: Then lot's close this as done.
14:07:00 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2315: Report on event handling in web components (Erik)
14:07:00 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Jan/0020
14:07:11 <Steven> Erik: Continues
14:07:21 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2312: Devise text for submission using @value (Steven)
14:07:21 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Feb/0005
14:07:21 <Steven> (Also covers  ACTION-2317: Include submit-serialize in submission using
14:07:21 <Steven> @value
14:07:21 <Steven> and ACTION-2318: Add new submission text to spec)
14:07:22 <Steven> Closing this
14:08:03 <Steven> trackbot, close ACTION-2312
14:08:04 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-2312.
14:08:10 <Steven> trackbot, close ACTION-2317
14:08:10 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-2317.
14:08:16 <Steven> trackbot, close ACTION-2318
14:08:16 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-2318.
14:08:30 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2314: Compose text that matches the <control/> discussion for
14:08:30 <Steven> mirroring (Steven)
14:08:30 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Feb/0001
14:09:23 <Steven> Erik: Alain had raised the point that there is a securiyt issue.
14:09:35 <Steven> s/securiyt/security
14:09:55 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2313: Research the alternatives for 'dirty' data, and produce
14:09:55 <Steven> code in all of them for comparison (Steven)
14:09:55 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Jan/0012
14:09:59 <Steven> Steven: Continues
14:11:42 <Steven> Topic: State change events
14:11:42 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/2018/09/26-forms-minutes.html#item05
14:12:22 <Steven> Erik: I have problems with what a value is, and I don't think we had a conclusion to that discussion.
14:14:47 <Steven> Steven: <y use case was a value that I wanted to catch because a data structure changed size accordingly, but the value changed as a result of a computation. I had to make a fake input control just in order to catch the value changes
14:14:56 <Steven> s/<y/My/
14:15:24 <Steven> Erik: We support <var> in the model for computations.
14:15:44 <Steven> .... In the view (not specified in the spec I believe), we support value-changed
14:16:17 <Steven> ... so we might be able to use <var> in the model as a source of value-changed events.
14:16:26 <Steven> s/..../.../
14:16:35 <Steven> Erik: I'm thinking on the fly here.
14:16:56 <Steven> ... it might be an option.
14:17:59 <Steven> Topic: Submission echo
14:17:59 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/2017/07/05-forms-minutes.html#item06
14:20:31 <Steven> Steven: Erik said "use a schame", but that is hard.
14:21:14 <Steven> Erik: We do everything as when using http:, but we use a scheme, that gets put in a response body, etc
14:21:42 <Steven> ... and then everything happens as if an http submission
14:22:19 <Steven> Alain: I use the debugger to look at what is submitted. Not so useful for me.
14:22:52 <Steven> Steven: What about a method?
14:22:59 <Steven> Erik: It impacts the serialisation
14:23:57 <Steven> Steven: We could just hijack or steal a scheme
14:24:52 <Steven> https://www.iana.org/assignments/uri-schemes/uri-schemes.xhtml
14:26:35 <Steven> ACTION: Steven investigate the work required for a scheme registration.
14:26:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2319 - Investigate the work required for a scheme registration. [on Steven Pemberton - due 2022-04-01].
14:26:56 <Steven> Alain: How about simulating a response?
14:27:55 <Steven> ... so you could specify a response.
14:28:13 <Steven> Steven: Needs thought.
14:28:39 <Steven> ACTION: Alain to suggest a method of specifying a response for an echo
14:28:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2320 - Suggest a method of specifying a response for an echo [on Alain Couthures - due 2022-04-01].
14:31:29 <Steven> Topic: AOB
14:31:40 <Steven> Steven: Can we move to a different day?
14:31:58 <Steven> [Discussion: No]
14:32:25 <Steven> Steven: If it would ever becoame possible, a day other than Friday or Tuesday at this time would make life easier for me.
14:32:32 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
14:32:41 <Steven> Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
14:32:46 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:33:22 <Steven> s/lot's/lets/
14:33:42 <Steven> trackbot, close ACTION-2309
14:33:42 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-2309.
14:34:30 <Steven> s/schame/scheme
14:35:05 <Steven> s/becoame/become
14:35:17 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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