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15:57:04 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), dmontalvo
15:57:20 <dmontalvo> Meeting: WAI Curricula Task Force Teleconference
15:57:23 <dmontalvo> Chair: Daniel
15:57:54 <dmontalvo> Regrets: Dave, Donal, Brian
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16:07:50 <eoncins> present+ Estella
16:08:03 <dmontalvo> Topic: Updates on current work
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16:08:27 <dmontalvo> https://content-author-modules--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/content-author-modules/
16:08:31 <Brent> zakim, who is on the call
16:08:31 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the call', Brent
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16:09:10 <eoncins> Daniel: Working on Module 1 adding topics also work on Module 2. Missing some content on other modules also...
16:09:44 <Brent> present+ Daniel, Jade, Estella, Gerhard, Sarah, Brent
16:09:48 <eoncins> ...also working on Module that is now called "Forms"
16:09:49 <dmontalvo> zakim, take up next
16:09:49 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Changes in scope for Module 3: Text Alternatives
16:09:50 <Zakim> ... https://content-author-topics--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/content-author-modules/text-alternatives/#learning-outcomes-for-module -- taken up
16:11:12 <eoncins> Daniel: Discussion on first and second item. We previously had tables and images differently described and was not clear...
16:11:56 <eoncins> ...we received comments on data tables that was not self explanatory and not complete. Charts, diagrams and infographics are different types of data visualisation...
16:13:06 <eoncins> ...focus of he module is now on functional and informative images.
16:14:01 <Brent> q+
16:14:05 <eoncins> Data visualisation= complex images will be on module 4
16:15:10 <dmontalvo> s/complx/complex/
16:15:58 <Brent> done
16:16:16 <eoncins> done
16:16:53 <eoncins> Jade: This is the most recent version, I get a bit confused.
16:16:55 <dmontalvo> q?
16:17:26 <eoncins> Daniel: Previously module 3 was images and now is text alternative.
16:17:47 <Jade> done
16:19:37 <eoncins> Brent: Should we say "images that convey..." and "images conveying..."?
16:20:21 <eoncins> Daniel: I am happy to hear the opinion of native speakers.
16:21:09 <eoncins> Brent: I might say "images that convey..." but happy to hear other opinions.
16:21:17 <slewth> q+
16:21:57 <eoncins> Jade: Do we need to say "images that convey..."? Or can we say "functional images"?
16:22:52 <Jade> +1 to sarah
16:23:01 <eoncins> Sarah: It might be good to provide a definition of the different types of images.
16:23:47 <eoncins> Brent: "functional images" and "informative images" are under the topics we should provide a definition.
16:24:31 <eoncins> Daniel: In previous modules we adapt the types of images according to developers and designers role.
16:25:27 <eoncins> Brent: Content authors should distinguish between the different types of images to know the type of alternative text to add...
16:25:49 <eoncins> ...context is key.
16:26:24 <eoncins> Daniel: What about having a module on complex images?
16:26:39 <dmontalvo> ack bre
16:28:38 <eoncins> Brent: My second question is about alt-text for content authors, in our training. Do we need a learning objective in order to ensure that authors provide a sufficient alt-text?
16:29:58 <eoncins> Daniel: Probably succinct might not be enough, probably there is something missing there. I am not sure if quality is the right word.
16:30:27 <Jade> q+
16:30:55 <eoncins> Brent: Should we also address good and bad alt-text as a learning objective?
16:31:36 <eoncins> As author content should you know how to write a sufficient alt-text?
16:32:03 <eoncins> Daniel: To me is not clear in how far we should cover this point.
16:32:05 <eoncins> q+
16:32:43 <eoncins> ...the quality effort should be ensured. I have to double check it...
16:32:49 <slewth> q-
16:33:20 <eoncins> ...I plan to use good versus bad. I have examples of magnifying glasses and plan to play.
16:34:09 <slewth> q+
16:34:15 <eoncins> Jade: I think talk about quality should be part of the learning objectives. Also do we need to call out crapy AI alt-text?
16:35:01 <eoncins> ...I think complex images should be in the alt-text module.
16:35:08 <eoncins> +1 to Jade
16:35:18 <Brent> +1 to complex images
16:36:06 <slewth> +1 to complex images
16:36:30 <eoncins> Daniel: It is true that some part of data visualisation also belongs to module 3. Not sure from W3C perspective about AI but surely some mention to review should be mentioned.
16:36:57 <eoncins> Jade: AI should also be part of alt-text.
16:37:51 <eoncins> Sarah: Agree with Jade, teaching idea on complex idea is worth also in terms of AI.
16:37:59 <slewth> q-
16:38:57 <eoncins> Daniel: This is something that I was planning to add, some sort of text-alt related to AI.
16:39:04 <dmontalvo> ack estella
16:40:19 <slewth> eoncins: I don't see the relationship between module 3 alt-text and module 4 data visualisation
16:45:11 <eoncins> Daniel: Behind the data visualisation thing are the different types of images, but probably this is not very clear. We need to nail this down...
16:45:54 <eoncins> ...module 3 may need to include complex images and also quality of the alt-text should be included as learning activity.
16:45:57 <eoncins> q+
16:46:12 <Jade> q-
16:46:22 <dmontalvo> ack Jade
16:47:18 <eoncins> Daniel: I might not include testing with screen readers but examples.
16:48:10 <eoncins> ...we could include ideas for teachers such as ways assess quality with assistive technologies.
16:48:12 <dmontalvo> ack este
16:48:17 <eoncins> q-
16:48:23 <dmontalvo> zakim, take up next
16:48:23 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Changes in scope for Module 4: Data Visualizations
16:48:24 <Zakim> ... https://content-author-topics--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/content-author-modules/data-visualizations/#learning-outcomes-for-module -- taken up [from dmontalvo]
16:49:48 <eoncins> Daniel: Data visualisation is about different ways that users visualise data with different types of infographics, tables, maps...
16:50:07 <eoncins> ...and different ways to provide alternatives.
16:51:05 <slewth> q+
16:51:09 <eoncins> This might be mixing different things and a clear name might be used for this module. Any other thoughts?
16:51:54 <Jade> done
16:52:19 <Brent> done
16:52:24 <slewth> done
16:52:33 <dmontalvo> q?
16:54:30 <slewth> -q
16:54:32 <eoncins> Sarah: I appreciate the overarching, but then data visualization is then not clear.
16:55:49 <eoncins> Daniel: I agree that tables should be at a high level and then we have to clear the concept of data visualization.
16:56:13 <dmontalvo> q?
16:56:36 <eoncins> ...if there is a relation between data visualization and tables we have to clearly define it.
16:57:07 <slewth> In my discipline we don't associate 'Data visualization' with tables - tables usually are the origin for the data that visualisations then re-present in a more graphic way.
16:58:30 <dmontalvo> zakim, take up next
16:58:30 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Should content authors define media player requirements? https://github.com/w3c/wai-curricula/issues/493 -- taken up [from dmontalvo]
16:59:27 <eoncins> Daniel: Last week we discussed about the limits between content authors and designers...
17:00:22 <eoncins> ...it might be good to cross reference about media player between content authors, designers and developers.
17:00:32 <eoncins> q+
17:02:53 <eoncins> Brent: Does the developer know that the media player should be accessible in order for designers/content creators to be able to provide captions or audio description?
17:03:15 <eoncins> Daniel: Is not that clear in the developers curricula.
17:03:53 <eoncins> ...Content authors should inform developers about accessibility services to be included.
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17:08:43 <dmontalvo> s/ he module/ the module/
17:10:19 <dmontalvo> s/succint/succinct/
17:11:14 <dmontalvo> s/crapy/crappy/
17:12:56 <dmontalvo> s/I will nail this down../But for this to be clearer we need to nail it down/