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20:56:35 <riccardoAlbertoni> meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup
20:56:50 <riccardoAlbertoni> zakim, start meeting
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20:56:51 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), riccardoAlbertoni
20:57:04 <riccardoAlbertoni> meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup
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20:57:58 <riccardoAlbertoni> meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup
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21:05:05 <riccardoAlbertoni> Chair: RiccardoAlbertoni
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21:06:01 <riccardoAlbertoni> PROPOSED: approve last meeting minutes  https://www.w3.org/2022/03/08-dxwgdcat-minutes
21:06:05 <AndreaPerego> present+
21:06:13 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
21:06:13 <alejandra> +1
21:06:13 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:06:21 <Nobu_OGURA> +1
21:06:28 <riccardoAlbertoni> RESOLVED: approve last meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2022/03/08-dxwgdcat-minutes
21:06:34 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2022.03.22
21:06:36 <riccardoAlbertoni> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:07:03 <AndreaPerego> chair: riccardoAlbertoni
21:07:10 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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21:08:20 <alejandra> Topic:  Responding to one of the Nobu's questions
21:08:38 <alejandra> riccardoAlbertoni: the question is about the class dcat:CatalogRecord
21:09:09 <alejandra> ... using dct:conformsTo, can you cite examples of "schema, semantics, syntax" mentioned in the NOTE?
21:10:26 <alejandra> ... sometimes you need to refer to the metadata of the metadata, this is when you instantiate the CatalogRecord
21:10:58 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat-3/#ex-catalog-record,
21:11:08 <alejandra> ... commenting on the catalog in the link
21:11:20 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/#ex-dataset
21:12:07 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1130#issuecomment-549025928
21:12:09 <alejandra> ... it can be compared with the other example (3) and both provide issued date but the first for when the dataset was issued in the catalog and the second for when the dataset was issued in general
21:13:06 <alejandra> ... why to use dct:conformsTo with dcat:CatalogRecord - one classic case is to say that the metadata is compliant with a DCAT profile
21:13:20 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1130#issuecomment-549072844
21:13:36 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1130#issuecomment-549072844
21:13:39 <alejandra> ... if you look at the discussion in issue 1130, you can see that there is another comment
21:14:00 <alejandra> ... in which Makx provided different examples of conformsTo depending on to what you applied to
21:14:57 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:15:13 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
21:15:24 <alejandra> AndreaPerego: was trying to find some examples
21:15:39 <alejandra> ... for example with the data quality vocabulary
21:15:48 <AndreaPerego> https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dqv/#ExpressConformanceWithStandard
21:16:12 <alejandra> ... in this case conformsTo is used for the schema of the metadata record
21:16:58 <AndreaPerego> https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat-3/#quality-conformance-statement
21:17:56 <alejandra> ... the main point is that you are referring about the metadata record
21:19:25 <alejandra> riccardoAlbertoni: providing an example for this would be an option, we can create an issue
21:21:11 <riccardoAlbertoni> proposed:  adding an example showing the joint use of  dcat:catalogRecord and dcterms:conformsTo
21:21:22 <alejandra> +1
21:21:25 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:21:25 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
21:21:26 <Nobu_OGURA> +1
21:21:40 <riccardoAlbertoni> resolved: adding an example showing the joint use of  dcat:catalogRecord and dcterms:conformsTo
21:21:50 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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21:22:21 <alejandra> Topic: next WD
21:22:33 <alejandra> riccardoAlbertoni: is there anything missing for the last WD?
21:22:55 <alejandra> ... in the last plenary there was a suggestion for people to revise the current draft
21:22:57 <alejandra> +q
21:23:21 <alejandra> ... if there are no showstoppers, we should vote on the next PWD to be approved in the next plenary
21:23:22 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:23:31 <alejandra> ... there is a group of items
21:23:34 <AndreaPerego> ack alejandra
21:23:34 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack alejandra
21:24:14 <alejandra> alejandra: suggesting to send an email to the list rather than relying on people reading the minutes from the plenary
21:24:20 <riccardoAlbertoni> q?
21:24:24 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
21:24:33 <alejandra> AndreaPerego: what we usually do is to create a poll for that
21:24:48 <alejandra> ... it would be good to have it in any case, check with Peter and Caroline
21:25:10 <alejandra> riccardoAlbertoni: agreed, if this meeting concludes that we are not far from the PWD
21:25:23 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Adataset-series%2Clabel%3Aversioning
21:26:19 <alejandra> riccardoAlbertoni: after this, there should be a wider review of 90 days before moving to CR
21:26:43 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:26:44 <alejandra> ... so, I'm ok about the 4th PWD, but unsure about wider review yet
21:26:52 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
21:27:01 <alejandra> AndreaPerego: don't have an opinion, somethingt to raise in the plenary
21:27:09 <alejandra> +q
21:27:39 <alejandra> AndreaPerego: there would be more work to do, but depends on deadlines
21:27:46 <alejandra> ... what we have is quite substantial
21:28:03 <alejandra> ... as we are following an agile approach, we can continue
21:28:16 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack alejandra
21:29:08 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:29:23 <alejandra> alejandra: just as a reminder that we would need the two independent implementations of the new features if we go for CR at this point
21:30:06 <alejandra> riccardoAlbertoni: implementation can be collected during the review period after publishing CR
21:30:58 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Adataset-series%2Clabel%3Aversioning
21:31:01 <alejandra> ... we need to consider the time
21:31:03 <riccardoAlbertoni> q?
21:31:11 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
21:31:24 <alejandra> AndreaPerego: if I remember well, Philippe mentioned that we can mark the new features as 'at risk'
21:32:13 <alejandra> q+
21:32:50 <alejandra> AndreaPerego: what we did for the previous implementation report (DCAT2) was tried to motivate the inclusion of the new features, highlighting that these were added as gaps found from previous implementation experiences
21:33:49 <alejandra> ... especially most recent properties
21:34:08 <riccardoAlbertoni> q?
21:34:12 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack alejandra
21:34:43 <alejandra> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Adataset-series
21:36:02 <alejandra> alejandra: agree with the agile approach and release often if we can, one suggestion would be to look at all the remaining issues of the new features, such as those in the link, which are three of dataset series
21:36:12 <alejandra> ... also what does it mean to add a feature at risk?
21:36:32 <alejandra> riccardoAlbertoni: you can keep it as non-normative, but you wouldn't reach the normative status of the feature
21:36:53 <alejandra> ... depending on the feature at risk, the other part can be incosistent, so we need to consider this carefully
21:37:37 <AndreaPerego> Current W3C Process Document: https://www.w3.org/2021/Process-20211102/
21:38:01 <alejandra> https://www.w3.org/2021/Process-20211102/#transition-cr
21:38:56 <alejandra> AndreaPerego: we need to consult Philippe
21:39:45 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Adataset-series%2Clabel%3Aversioning
21:40:00 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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21:40:10 <alejandra> riccardoAlbertoni: let's look at the 3 remaining issues on dataset series
21:40:20 <alejandra> ... the schema.org mapping could be addressed after publication
21:40:29 <alejandra> ... the following one is about a specific example
21:41:09 <alejandra> ... it is very specific - DCAT proposes some possible solution
21:41:47 <alejandra> ... discussion on Maxk proposal
21:42:46 <alejandra> ... don't expect that this issue will give a problem to the normative part
21:43:01 <alejandra> ... my strategy would be to reply and put on the table our option
21:43:16 <alejandra> ... any different view?
21:43:21 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1395
21:44:28 <alejandra> alejandra: question about the relationship between Dataset and DatasetSeries
21:44:42 <alejandra> riccardoAlbertoni: a hierarchical DatasetSeries - we can have 3 owners of the three elements
21:45:00 <alejandra> ... we can represent this in DCAT
21:45:13 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:46:08 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
21:46:10 <alejandra> ... there can be an owner for the aggregation and an owner for individual elements
21:46:55 <alejandra> AndreaPerego: this issue was considering in too much detail the definition of dataset (curated for a single agent)
21:47:51 <alejandra> ... typical case when there is a number of activities to show an integrated view
21:48:57 <alejandra> ... different organisations playing different roles
21:50:27 <alejandra> ... we should define those roles
21:50:45 <alejandra> q+
21:50:56 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack alejandra
21:51:47 <alejandra> alejandra: should we consider removing the 'single agent' mention?
21:52:07 <alejandra> AndreaPerego: there may be other implications, we can start clarifying the different roles of the organisations
21:52:28 <alejandra> ... still unclear how to integrate the use case
21:52:38 <alejandra> ... outside the scope of DCAT
21:58:48 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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21:58:59 <alejandra> riccardoAlbertoni: we should check the PRs
21:59:06 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1484
22:02:52 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1486
22:04:14 <AndreaPerego> scribenick: AndreaPerego
22:04:57 <AndreaPerego> proposed: add property dcat:inCatalog as inverse of dcat:resourcde
22:04:58 <AndreaPerego> proposed: add property dcat:inCatalog as inverse of dcat:resource
22:05:05 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
22:05:21 <Nobu_OGURA> +1
22:05:26 <AndreaPerego> +1
22:05:31 <AndreaPerego> resolved: add property dcat:inCatalog as inverse of dcat:resource
22:05:35 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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22:06:07 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1085
22:06:23 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: The issue about DBpedia ^^
22:06:57 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: It's a long thread, and they haven't replied once we mentioned that now DCAT includes series and versions.
22:07:13 <AndreaPerego> ... I don't think this can be solved before 4FPWD.
22:07:43 <AndreaPerego> ... Anyway, what should we do to get them involved again?
22:07:53 <riccardoAlbertoni> q?
22:08:04 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: No idea.
22:08:18 <AndreaPerego> q+
22:11:50 <riccardoAlbertoni> proposed:  we agree we can address the remaining issues about versioning and dataset series  after the pubblication as they don't impact the core of proposed solution
22:16:35 <AndreaPerego> proposed: the remaining issues about series will not be addressed in the 4FPWD, and reconsidered in the future
22:16:57 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
22:17:11 <Nobu_OGURA> +1
22:17:14 <AndreaPerego> +1
22:17:17 <AndreaPerego> resolved: the remaining issues about series will not be addressed in the 4FPWD, and reconsidered in the future
22:17:25 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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22:17:48 <AndreaPerego> [meeting adjourned]
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