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11:59:21 <kaz> meeting: WoT Testfet/Plugfest - Day 4
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12:03:51 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Christian_Glomb, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Fady_Salama, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Lagally
12:05:25 <kaz> q+
12:05:33 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:07:28 <kaz> ack k
12:08:12 <dape> scribe: dape
12:08:23 <dape> TOPIC: Previous minutes
12:08:29 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2022/03/16-wot-pf-minutes.html Mar-16
12:09:15 <dape> <Michael McCool walks over minutes>
12:10:09 <dape> MMC: please add note from Ege that assertion template is sorted
12:10:14 <dape> Kaz: Will do
12:11:46 <kaz> s/Will do/fixed/
12:13:51 <dape> MMC: Any objections?
12:14:01 <dape> --> none -> minutes approved
12:14:07 <dape> TOPIC: PRs
12:14:28 <dape> MMC: Merged already some
12:14:52 <kaz> s/PRs/Testfest/
12:14:57 <dape> ML: w.r.t. issue #262. Does it pass validation?
12:15:01 <kaz> s/some/some PRs/
12:15:02 <dape> Ege: Yes, it does
12:15:14 <kaz> i/issue #/subtopic: PR 262/
12:15:32 <kaz> i|issue #|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/262 PR 262 - Added TDs from ECHONET|
12:15:33 <dape> MMC: uses v1 TD context
12:15:43 <kaz> s/issue #/PR #/
12:15:58 <kaz> q+
12:16:15 <dape> ML: files could be used for PlugFest interoperability testing
12:16:20 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura
12:16:26 <dape> MMC: Good point. Could merge it
12:16:42 <kaz> zakim, who is on the call?
12:16:42 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Christian_Glomb, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Fady_Salama, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Lagally, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Ryuichi_Matsukura
12:16:54 <dape> ML: Where do I find official v1 JSON Schemas?
12:17:27 <dape> Ege: in TD repo, under "validation" directory
12:17:44 <dape> ML: Took this schema and got error reports
12:17:59 <dape> ... run into issues with language tag
12:18:21 <dape> ... validation is failing
12:18:31 <dape> Ege: Please open issue
12:19:11 <dape> ML: Error with having language tag in context
12:19:45 <kaz> q?
12:20:24 <dape> Ege: Did a quick check and do not see the behavior? Please provide sample TD that fails
12:20:35 <dape> ML: Will take another look
12:20:41 <kaz> chair: McCool, Fady
12:20:53 <Ege> https://www.jsonschemavalidator.net/s/Djf8zddd
12:21:04 <dape> .. maybe a problem with my validator
12:21:19 <dape> MMC: back to issue with context file
12:21:31 <kaz> s|https://www.jsonschemavalidator.net/s/Djf8zddd||
12:21:31 <dape> ... I think we should merge this PR#262
12:21:40 <dape> ... later on sort out v1 TDs
12:21:42 <kaz> i|Will take ano|https://www.jsonschemavalidator.net/s/Djf8zddd|
12:22:05 <Ege> https://www.w3.org/2022/wot/td/v1.1
12:22:22 <Ege> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/main/validation/td-json-schema-validation.json
12:22:44 <Ege> official TD schema: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/main/validation/td-json-schema-validation.json
12:22:49 <kaz> s|https://www.w3.org/2022/wot/td/v1.1|-> https://www.w3.org/2022/wot/td/v1.1 TD ver 1.1 namespace|
12:22:53 <Ege> new TD context: https://www.w3.org/2022/wot/td/v1.1
12:23:07 <Ege> an online validation that uses @language tag: https://www.jsonschemavalidator.net/s/Djf8zddd
12:23:11 <dape> SUBTOPIC: PR#264
12:23:21 <kaz> q?
12:23:36 <dape> ML: Fix in blue print
12:23:39 <dape> ... I think we can merge
12:24:12 <Ege> GH issue about the @context: https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/issues/265
12:24:58 <dape> s/blue print/blue pump
12:25:08 <kaz> ack k
12:25:39 <kaz> @@@ move
12:26:40 <Ege> by the way @mlagally, having type null does not mean that you are not returning any payload. It means that you are returning null. For more information, please see: https://json-schema.org/understanding-json-schema/reference/null.html
12:27:13 <mlagally> thanks Ege
12:27:59 <McCool> proposal: we will use previous TD submissions for TD1.1 (compatibility) testing if the only change needed is to update the context URL to the TD 1.1 version.
12:28:15 <kaz> @@@ Ege's comment is about #264
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12:28:58 <kaz> s/@@@ move/@@@ resolution to be moved to PR 262/
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12:29:20 <McCool> proposal: we will use previous TD 1.0 submissions for TD1.1 (compatibility) testing if the only change needed is to update the context URL to the TD 1.1 version.
12:29:31 <McCool> resolution: we will use previous TD 1.0 submissions for TD1.1 (compatibility) testing if the only change needed is to update the context URL to the TD 1.1 version.
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12:30:01 <dape> MMC: Merge PR#263 now?
12:30:23 <dape> ... need to fix conflict anyway
12:30:46 <kaz> s/263/262/
12:32:27 <dape> MMC: resolved conflicts for 262
12:34:29 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
12:34:31 <kaz> q?
12:34:51 <dape> DP: Can add both contexts instead of replacing v1 to v1.1
12:35:42 <dape> <McCool fixing @context in TDs of PR#262>
12:36:35 <dape> MMC: issues with some TDs, will fix them after merging PR
12:38:07 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:38:10 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:38:58 <dape> Ege: will tage the task to clean it up
12:39:30 <dape> SUBTOPIC: PR#264 (back)
12:39:43 <dape> MMC: I thought  empty is invalid
12:39:54 <dape> Ege: type null means value null
12:40:14 <dape> ... I think you just want to leave it out... having it absent
12:40:29 <dape> ML: Okay.. please do not merge it
12:41:36 <kaz> i|thought|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/264 PR 264 - fixing operation parameters|
12:41:44 <dape> SUBTOPIC: PR#263
12:41:52 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/263
12:42:14 <kaz> i/263/(closed without merging)/
12:42:20 <dape> DP:  add TD example to use both global&local uriVariables
12:42:34 <kaz> i|#263|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/264#issuecomment-1070877946|
12:42:46 <kaz> s/closed/PR 263 closed/
12:43:23 <dape> MMC: TD passes -> merge
12:44:18 <dape> MMC: Can try to add global uriVariables in my examples
12:44:24 <dape> ... need second implementation
12:44:44 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
12:45:03 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Implementations and Descriptions
12:45:22 <dape> MMC: Split up implementation description
12:45:30 <dape> ... testimonials based on organization
12:45:41 <dape> ... I added impl.html template
12:45:47 <dape> ... I added testimonial.html template
12:45:58 <dape> ... need to fix and clean-up some more information
12:46:15 <dape> ... I will clean-up Ditto and node-wot
12:46:36 <dape> MMC: Ege did you do node-wot PR?
12:46:47 <dape> Ege: Yes
12:47:02 <dape> MMC: I see, it seem in the wrong directory
12:47:37 <dape> Ege: node-wot.html provides enough information
12:47:46 <dape> ... can leave out usage and public repo
12:48:03 <dape> MMC: not all implementations have public repo
12:48:16 <dape> ... if not available, no problem
12:48:33 <dape> ... I will move the file to the correct place
12:49:03 <dape> Ege: DP and CA can still comment on the node-wot content
12:49:29 <dape> MMC: Okay, I will leave Ege to resolve possible concerns
12:49:41 <dape> Ege: on Architecture level
12:49:54 <dape> ... we provide impl description
12:50:26 <dape> ... we provide testimonials description
12:50:33 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:50:39 <dape> MMC: re-structuring break my tool
12:50:56 <dape> ... how far are we with the test results
12:51:02 <kaz> q?
12:51:39 <dape> Fady: Assertion tester close to be ready...
12:51:53 <dape> MMC: Afterwards I have to update my tool
12:52:04 <dape> ... draft report could be ready by tomorrow
12:52:28 <dape> ... worked on impl report, see PR#181
12:52:44 <dape> ... run into issues.. got just one result
12:53:19 <dape> ... fixed index file to resolve the issues
12:53:55 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/181 wot-profile PR 181 - WIP: Implementation Report
12:53:57 <dape> MMC: class rfc in <p> tag caused issues
12:54:06 <dape> ... we need to use <span>
12:54:34 <kaz> i/class/(McCool goes through the content of the PR 181)/
12:55:15 <dape> MMC: nested rfc assertions cause issues also
12:55:36 <dape> ... doing these changes changes the numbering
12:56:01 <dape> ML: I suggest not merging now
12:56:13 <dape> ...would break things
12:56:46 <dape> MMC: I won't merge .. but we need to resolve these issues
12:57:20 <dape> ML: how many assertions?
12:57:40 <dape> MMC: About 50 ... but several were split .. so the number is not correct
12:59:36 <dape> <McCool showing profile report>
12:59:54 <kaz> q+
13:00:39 <dape> MMC: need to split MUST and MUST NOT
13:00:48 <dape> Kaz: draft version online?
13:00:54 <dape> MMC: Yes, it is checked in
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13:01:05 <kaz> -> https://github.com/mmccool/wot-profile/blob/impl-report/testing/report.html draft
13:01:28 <Ege> I have to leave now and cannot attend the plugfest call
13:02:55 <dape> MMC: BTW, I did update Intel devices and I am still working on bringing them on the VLAN
13:03:13 <dape> ... other new devices / announcement ?
13:03:20 <dape> ML: Oracle things evolved..
13:03:33 <dape> ... sync and async action
13:03:49 <dape> ... no way to query action status.. at the moment
13:04:06 <dape> ... Note: Ditto TDs failed for me validations
13:04:14 <kaz> q?
13:04:16 <kaz> ack
13:04:41 <dape> ... relevant for Ege
13:04:52 <dape> DP: Ege left, should create issue
13:04:55 <dape> ML: Will do
13:04:59 <kaz> s/ack//
13:05:01 <kaz> ack k
13:05:11 <kaz> [Testfest adjourned; 5min break]
13:05:15 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:11:29 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
13:11:32 <kaz> topic: Plugfest
13:11:51 <kaz> mm: we should review the projects/scenarios
13:12:12 <kaz> ... should we generate issues for projects?
13:12:17 <kaz> kaz: would be nicer to do so
13:12:19 <kaz> mm: yeah
13:12:47 <kaz> ... (creates an issue as a template)
13:13:30 <kaz> ... Project (2022-03 Plugfest): TDs for Commercial Devices
13:13:40 <kaz> s/a template/an example/
13:14:46 <kaz> ... (adds description)
13:15:10 <kaz> ... Victron Energy OctoGX (solar power charger management)
13:15:56 <kaz> ... Goal Zero Yeti 1500X (Lithium battery 1.5kWh  AGM battery 9kWh, solar charger, inverter, etc.)
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13:16:11 <dezell> present+ David_Ezell
13:17:19 <kaz> ... Shelley Door/Window 2
13:17:42 <kaz> ... Home Assistant/Weatherflow Tempest
13:18:03 <kaz> q+
13:18:28 <kaz> ack k
13:18:51 <kaz> kaz: Doesn't Goal Zero itself have any smart management capability?
13:18:58 <kaz> mm: actually it does have
13:19:08 <kaz> ... this is kind of hybrid mechanism
13:19:39 <kaz> ... it's kind of wired, though
13:20:28 <kaz> kaz: maybe interesting to think about the possible connection with Siemens' power management cloud
13:20:30 <kaz> mm: yeah
13:20:52 <kaz> ... (shows the information on Victron Energy's site)
13:21:17 <kaz> ... DC distribution systems including inverters
13:23:32 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/issues/267 Issue 267 - Project (2022-03 Plugfest): TDs for Commercial Devices
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13:25:16 <kaz> mm: a lot smart home systems send the data to the cloud
13:25:56 <kaz> ... others can create similar issues about their projects
13:26:52 <kaz> ... (creates yet another project on "Retail Demo")
13:27:36 <mlagally__> q+
13:28:11 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/issues/268 Issue 268 - Project (2022-03 Plugfest): Retail Demo
13:28:19 <kaz> ml: working on validation
13:28:36 <kaz> ... based on the official JSON Schema
13:28:53 <kaz> ... have not checked all the TDs
13:29:10 <kaz> i/working on/subtopic: Validation/
13:30:08 <kaz> ... (shows "ProfileSchema.json")
13:30:24 <kaz> ... consolidated validation results here
13:31:31 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/blob/main/events/2022.03.Online/tools/Oracle/TD-Profile-Validation/Ditto/TDs/ditto_floor-lamp-1_ConnectionStatus.td.jsonld.txt ditto_floor-lamp-1_ConnectionStatus.td.jsonld.txt
13:31:39 <kaz> ml: can be a starting point
13:34:04 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2022.03.Online/tools/Oracle/TD-Profile-Validation TD-Profile validation results in general
13:35:08 <kaz> mm: Oracle's blue pump uses Actions?
13:35:10 <kaz> ml: yes
13:36:24 <kaz> ... will bring more tomorrow
13:36:34 <kaz> mm: any description about this work?
13:36:56 <kaz> ml: TD itself describes the device but no scenario description
13:37:13 <kaz> q+
13:37:16 <kaz> ack ml
13:39:13 <kaz> kaz: would be nice to have human-readable document
13:39:47 <kaz> ... for example, ECHONET guys mentioned they were using some script to extract key features from JSON data to generate a human-readable table
13:39:56 <kaz> ml: sounds useful
13:40:20 <kaz> mm: yeah, good to generate that kind of mechanism
13:40:31 <kaz> ... reasonable to have a tool
13:41:00 <kaz> kaz: not for today, but good to start to think about that kind of tool
13:41:44 <dezell> q+
13:41:47 <kaz> ack k
13:41:53 <kaz> ack d
13:42:17 <kaz> david: this maybe a place for better/best practices
13:42:46 <kaz> ... including security risks/mitigations
13:43:02 <kaz> mm: there are strong recommendation
13:43:25 <kaz> ... note that the security best practice document is out-dated
13:44:20 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1402 wot-thing-description PR 1402 - WIP: Additional Security and Privacy Considerations
13:44:40 <kaz> mm: we should have clear place to find necessary information
13:44:47 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1402
13:46:09 <kaz> mm: btw, any other projects to be discussed today?
13:46:19 <kaz> david: no
13:46:58 <kaz> (discussion about logistics, e.g., VLAN)
13:47:25 <kaz> mm: MQTT stuff may work with wifi
13:47:49 <kaz> ... my plan this time is building the system from scratch
13:48:07 <kaz> ... e.g., for RGB light, Temp sensor, and Door switch
13:48:23 <kaz> ... we used to have TD for Philips Hue
13:48:43 <kaz> ... should have TDs for Temp sensor and Door switch too
13:48:58 <kaz> q+
13:49:08 <kaz> david: let me know if you need my help
13:49:35 <kaz> ... we have a group
13:51:17 <kaz> mm: (shows the diagram on David's email)
13:51:19 <kaz> q+
13:52:37 <kaz> (a cooler including door sensor and temp gauge connected with Node-red)
13:53:23 <kaz> mm: please connect me to the engineers
13:53:47 <kaz> q
13:54:22 <kaz> david: there are so many complicated ways and we need a standard
13:55:10 <kaz> kaz: can we add the diagram in your message to the Issue 268?
13:55:17 <kaz> david/mm: sure :)
13:56:30 <kaz> kaz: tx
13:56:40 <kaz> mm: pictures would be helpful
13:56:43 <kaz> ... anything else?
13:57:35 <kaz> ... btw, the LED is (not three LEDs but) one LED which changes the color
13:58:23 <kaz> ... any other business
13:58:28 <kaz> s/ness/ness?/
13:59:31 <kaz> ml: (mentions the user name and password for the Plugfest)
13:59:59 <kaz> kaz: please send the information by email to the Members list too (rather than recording on these public minutes :)
14:00:23 <kaz> mm: let's continue the discussion tomorrow!
14:00:25 <kaz> [adjourned]
14:00:33 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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