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23:56:03 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), wendyreid
23:56:12 <wendyreid> meeting: EPUB3 WG Telco
23:56:31 <wendyreid> date: 2022-03-17
23:56:35 <wendyreid> chair: wendyreid
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23:59:30 <MasakazuKitahara> present+
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00:02:50 <MattChan> TOPIC: Media Overlay Semantics
00:02:51 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues/2066
00:03:15 <duga> q+
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00:03:22 <MattChan> wendyreid: you may have noticed a flurry of new issues logged due to people reviewing spec
00:03:47 <duga> q-
00:03:49 <MattChan> ... we have a normative statement that MO SHOULD use semantics when appropriate, and we do not clarify what we mean by semantics, or what semantics to use
00:04:00 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/pull/2089
00:04:04 <MattChan> ... mgarrish has discussed with danielwreck and marissa, and put to gether a PR
00:04:19 <MattChan> ... to clean up the language in that section, particularly dropping SHOULD to MAY
00:04:35 <MattChan> ... we can't drop the statement altogether, but SHOULD is a little strong in this case
00:04:50 <MattChan> ... and to specify that we are talking about footnote, endnote, page break
00:05:12 <MattChan> ... now we have something that could technically be tested (although it is not a required feature, we are discouraging use of epub:type)
00:05:14 <MURATA> +present
00:05:23 <MattChan> s/to gether/together
00:05:42 <MattChan> wendyreid: there is also a small addition to the RS spec to make similar clarifications there
00:05:48 <MattChan> ... questions?
00:06:02 <MattChan> MURATA: this changes both Core and RS, right?
00:06:04 <MattChan> wendyreid: yes
00:06:30 <MattChan> ... the change to RS is barely a change, it keeps the normative statements but offers a little more information about what the RS should be doing
00:06:50 <MattChan> MURATA: mgarrish dropped one bullet in EPUB 33 core?
00:07:21 <MattChan> wendyreid: he changed one SHOULD to MAY, and both escapability and skippability are better defined. It should be in the PR
00:07:31 <MattChan> MURATA: seems sensible, but I haven't reviewed the details
00:08:21 <MattChan> wendyreid: to clarify, he dropped the SHOULD, and made the following statement a MAY
00:09:10 <MattChan> MURATA: no objections, but 4 reviewers have proof read the proposed change?
00:09:14 <MattChan> wendyreid: yes
00:09:48 <MattChan> ... I didn't know there was a going to be a PR in time for the meeting today, mgarrish was ahead of schedule
00:10:05 <MattChan> ... we will have to close this issue soon (within the next week or so) so if you have an interest in this please review the PR
00:10:16 <MattChan> TOPIC: Document Review
00:10:17 <wendyreid> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qer78BUDpaDb_nav_wuhjeyjMD8Fk7UiakoP2sBf5jc/edit#gid=0
00:10:42 <MattChan> wendyreid: in prep for going to CR we are looking to get various members of the CR to review sections of the documents
00:10:51 <MattChan> ... you need to check for clarity, spelling errors, grammer, etc.
00:11:08 <MattChan> ... mgarrish, Ivan, etc. have touched the document, but its always good to have more eyes on the document
00:11:23 <MattChan> ... so please volunteer to take sections. Some sections are shorter than others.
00:11:32 <MattChan> ... let's share the load and get through this as quickly as possible
00:12:06 <MattChan> ... I know not everything is completely comfortable in English, but this is a good opportunity to judge whether we are using clear language
00:12:07 <duga> q+
00:12:09 <MURATA> +q
00:12:10 <MattChan> ... it should be understandable
00:12:11 <shiestyle> q+
00:12:16 <wendyreid> ack duga
00:12:29 <MattChan> duga: what is our timeline? I am around next week, followed by 2 weeks of vacation
00:12:38 <MattChan> wendyreid: okay, then before you leave please?
00:12:56 <MattChan> duga: okay, well, sooner rather than later then
00:13:22 <MattChan> wendyreid: i think there is a publication moratorium early April, so we were hoping to hit end of Mar
00:13:41 <MattChan> ... not sure why there is a moratorium, maybe there is an AC meeting or something
00:13:43 <wendyreid> ack MURATA
00:14:17 <MattChan> MURATA: the JP DAISY consortium has already passed an earlier version of epub a11y, but it should not be difficult for us to review the a11y 1.1 doc
00:14:31 <MattChan> ... JP DAISY will review that entire spec
00:14:36 <wendyreid> ack shiestyle
00:14:46 <MattChan> shiestyle: I will translate for JP members
00:14:49 <MattChan> wendyreid: thank you
00:14:58 <MattChan> shiestyle: [in Japanese]
00:16:39 <MURATA> JDC will raise issues.  Both editorial and technical.
00:16:49 <MattChan> ... I have explained that it will help to review, whether you are strong in english or not
00:17:02 <MattChan> wendyreid: if you claim a section, please place your name in the doc in the agenda
00:17:14 <MattChan> TOPIC: AOB?
00:17:38 <MattChan> wendyreid: okay, thank you all for attending, we will see you all soon!
00:18:00 <wendyreid> zakim, end meeting
00:18:00 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been MasakazuKitahara, toshiakikoike, shiestyle, wendyreid, duga, MattChan, present
00:18:02 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
00:18:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/17-epub-minutes.html Zakim
00:18:05 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, wendyreid; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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00:18:16 <wendyreid> rrsagent, make logs public
00:18:30 <wendyreid> rrsagent, bye
00:18:30 <RRSAgent> I see no action items