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13:04:57 <kaz> meeting: WoT Testfest/Plugfest - Day 3
13:05:22 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Andrea_Cimmino, Fady_Salama, Michael_Lagally
13:05:31 <kaz> present+ Ege_Korkan
13:07:06 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
13:07:48 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2022/03/15-wot-pf-minutes.html
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13:08:05 <kaz> i/html/topic: Minutes/
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13:08:13 <kaz> s/html/html Mar-16/
13:08:17 <kaz> chair: Fady, McCool
13:09:36 <kaz> q+
13:10:03 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
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13:13:28 <acimmino_> Minutes: PR review
13:14:17 <acimmino_> mccool reviews several PR recently merged about implementations
13:15:21 <kaz> s/Minutes:/topic:/
13:15:23 <acimmino_> mccool reviews PR #247
13:15:41 <acimmino_> about profile term in TD
13:15:50 <kaz> q?
13:15:52 <kaz> ack k
13:16:05 <kaz> i/reviews PR/subtopic: PR 247/
13:16:20 <kaz> i|reviews PR|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/247 PR 247 - add TD with profile term #247|
13:16:28 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:16:33 <acimmino_> i/reviews PR/subtopic: PR 248/
13:16:43 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:16:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/16-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
13:17:02 <kaz> (merged)
13:17:09 <kaz> subtopic: PR 248
13:17:26 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/248 PR 248 - profile compliant WebThings (properties)
13:17:46 <acimmino_> the PR # 248is merged
13:18:50 <dape> q+
13:20:58 <dape> ack dape
13:21:21 <acimmino_> topic: script for validating TDs
13:24:08 <McCool_> q+
13:25:04 <acimmino_> validating TDs may need for each assetion a test
13:28:04 <acimmino_> Topic: assertions in TDs
13:28:25 <acimmino_> mccool: in the intel-nodejs-camera.csv I removed last column and sorted the assertions
13:29:22 <acimmino_> different runs may generate a different order though, it would be good to have a common sorting
13:35:00 <acimmino_> sorry, apologies but I need to leave
13:35:45 <acimmino_> Topic: PR #249 now is closed
13:36:09 <kaz> s/sorry, apologies but I need to leave//
13:36:31 <acimmino_> is someone taking over?
13:36:36 <dape> scribe: dape
13:36:49 <acimmino_> thanks, apologies again
13:36:56 <kaz> s/is someone taking over?//
13:37:02 <dape> Ege: will create new PR
13:37:11 <kaz> s/thanks, apologies again//
13:37:11 <kaz> q?
13:37:23 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:37:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/16-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
13:37:50 <dape> TOPIC: implementation description
13:37:54 <dape> Ege: was writing implementation description. Where does it go to?
13:38:01 <dape> MMC: Architecture ?
13:38:02 <kaz> i/PR review/(approved)
13:38:04 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:38:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/16-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
13:38:33 <kaz> i/mccool reviews se/scribenick: acimmino_/
13:38:34 <dape> Ege: I suggest to clean issues also.. we have out-dated ones from previous TestFests
13:38:36 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:38:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/16-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
13:38:45 <dape> Fady: Will do that
13:39:31 <dape> MMC: Tomorrow we can look at issues we can close
13:39:49 <dape> ... e.g., Issue #141
13:40:14 <dape> MMC: Does assertion tester support TMs ?
13:40:24 <dape> Ege: Almost, pending PR
13:41:12 <dape> MMC: After cleaning-up archive we can close some issues
13:41:36 <dape> ... suggest to wait till Fady finishes the work with the archive
13:42:07 <dape> ... maybe adding label "propose closing"
13:42:16 <dape> Fady: Okay, will do
13:42:59 <dape> MMC: Can also use again Issue Tracker to capture PlugFest results
13:44:51 <dape> MMC: Suggest to close Issue#160
13:45:48 <dape> ... any further discussions for testing ?
13:46:16 <dape> ... none -> suggest to close early and restart with PF call on time
13:47:17 <kaz> i|will create new|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/249 PR 249 - Renaming Oracle TD endings|
13:47:29 <kaz> [Testing part adjourned]
13:47:33 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:47:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/16-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
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14:06:51 <mlagally_> scribenick: mlagally
14:07:06 <kaz> i|Suggest to|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/issues/160 Issue 160 - Update assertion tester|
14:07:10 <mlagally_> topic: Plugfest
14:07:23 <mlagally_> zakim, who is on the call?
14:07:23 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Andrea_Cimmino, Fady_Salama, Michael_Lagally, Ege_Korkan, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Cristiano_Aguzzi
14:08:52 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi, Daniel_Peintner, Jan_Romann, Kunihiko_Toumura, Ryuichi_Matsukura
14:09:12 <kaz> subtopic: Architecture
14:09:28 <mlagally_> (some updates to the proposed terms in Architecture/README.md
14:09:36 <mlagally_> s/md/md)/
14:09:49 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2022.03.Online/Architecture 2022.03.Online/Architecture
14:15:16 <mlagally_> mmc: let's use these to be consistent
14:15:31 <mlagally_> topic: PRs
14:16:31 <mlagally_> (resolving merge conflict in #251
14:17:47 <mlagally_> ml: the first device is online, not yet added to "active.csv"
14:21:07 <mlagally_> ml: I believe many TDs are already profile compliant, if they had the profile identifier. Challenge is how to validate them
14:21:27 <mlagally_> ... note that you do not have to implement all profile features to be profile compliant
14:22:02 <mlagally_> mmc: let me regenerate the assertions, there are 49 of them
14:24:20 <mlagally_> (generates template.csv)
14:29:04 <McCool_> q?
14:29:07 <McCool_> ack M
14:30:40 <cris_> q+
14:30:57 <mlagally_> ml: we could ask other contributors to manually check the profile assertions
14:31:16 <mlagally_> mmc: probably Ben's TDs should be treated with priority
14:31:27 <mlagally_> ml: These are not TDs at this point
14:32:00 <McCool_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/blob/main/events/2022.03.Online/TD/WebThings/actions-events-thing.json
14:32:49 <mlagally_> cris: WebThings TDs may be a bit tricky, not sure about a real consumer implementation
14:33:10 <mlagally_> mmc: if I use node-wot and poke these interactions, will it work?
14:33:27 <mlagally_> cris: WebSocket will likely not work
14:34:32 <mlagally_> .ML: are these online
14:34:53 <mlagally_> mmc: all are localhost, not running at this point
14:35:11 <mlagally_> ... we could check all non-behavioral assertions
14:35:27 <mlagally_> cris: let me check if I can set up sth.
14:36:05 <mlagally_> topic: Retail use cases
14:36:25 <mlagally_> mmc: I worked with the MQTT Shelly sensor, some findings
14:36:58 <mlagally_> ... I have it running, several MQTT devices, 3 categories
14:37:28 <mlagally_> ... some interesting questions about keep-alive, multiple protocols (CoAP, MQTT, HTTP)
14:37:48 <cris_> q+
14:38:38 <mlagally_> ... device gets alive for a few mins, goes to sleep afterwards
14:41:06 <mlagally_> ... shelly uses also JSON-RPC 2.0, we may look into this in the future
14:41:21 <Ege> just found it, quite big indeed: https://twitter.com/RapidQuakeAlert/status/1504104251529781250
14:41:23 <Ege> stay safe!
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14:41:51 <mlagally_> * stay safe Japanese members *
14:42:25 <mlagally_> ... they are using a HTTP variant
14:42:36 <mlagally_> cris: were you able to trigger actions from MQTT?
14:43:02 <mlagally_> ... it depends on vendors of how it is supported
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14:47:12 <mlagally_> mmc: (shows details on the Tempest Weather System)
14:49:03 <kaz> q+
14:49:11 <kaz> ack c
14:49:44 <mlagally_> ... need to check keep-alive behavior
14:50:19 <mlagally_> ... I will describe in the scenarios-md
14:51:01 <kaz> ack k
14:51:24 <mlagally_> ... I got ~20 devices
14:51:45 <mlagally_> ml: are there any devices / events exposed on the Internet?
14:52:13 <mlagally_> mmc: I can install Mosquito and write TDs to expose these devices
14:52:36 <mlagally_> ege: You could also open a port in your router, I could connect to your MQTT broaker
14:53:11 <mlagally_> mmc: There are some security issues, none of the devices support security
14:53:20 <mlagally_> s/oak/ok/
14:54:00 <cris_> q+
14:54:08 <mlagally_> ... Simplest would be to temporarily redirect them to VLAN
14:54:22 <mlagally_> cris: This would be very beneficial
14:56:22 <mlagally_> ... Shelly has WebHooks for actions, Cloud API
14:56:54 <McCool_> https://shelly-api-docs.shelly.cloud/
14:57:04 <mlagally_> s/.../mmc:/
14:58:48 <mlagally_> ... it has a device description, includes location, other metadata
15:00:31 <McCool_> https://shelly-api-docs.shelly.cloud/gen1/#shelly-door-window-1-2-settings
15:00:37 <mlagally_> ... actions are implemented as WebHooks
15:01:30 <Fady> * I have to drop, see you tomorrow!
15:01:55 <kaz> [adjourned]
15:01:55 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/issues/254
15:02:43 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/issues/254||
15:03:01 <kaz> s|* I have to drop, see you tomorrow!||
15:03:05 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:03:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/16-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
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