12:02:27 RRSAgent has joined #wot-pf 12:02:27 logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/03/15-wot-pf-irc 12:02:37 mlagally has joined #wot-pf 12:02:46 meeting: WoT Testfest/Plugfest - Day 2 12:04:54 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan 12:04:55 dape has joined #wot-pf 12:05:19 -> https://www.w3.org/2022/03/14-wot-pf-minutes.html 12:05:36 s/html/html Mar-14/ 12:06:18 present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi, Fady_Salama, Kuihiko_Toumura, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool, Sebastian_Kaebisch 12:06:29 topic: minutes review 12:06:48 scribenick: Ege 12:07:01 s|-> https://www.w3.org/2022/03/14-wot-pf-minutes.html Mar-14|| 12:07:06 -> https://www.w3.org/2022/03/14-wot-pf-minutes.html Mar-14 12:07:25 present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima 12:08:57 (approved) 12:09:44 topic: PRs 12:09:50 topic: PRs 12:09:57 s/topic: PRs// 12:10:29 mm: I was doing work on the report generator 12:10:55 i|was do|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pulls?q=is%3Apr PRs| 12:12:10 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/blob/main/events/2022.03.Online/TD/active.csv active.csv 12:12:31 rrsagent, make log public 12:12:37 rrsaggent, draft minutes 12:12:40 mm: is nodegen part of the node-red implementation 12:13:05 kt: no they are separate 12:13:40 chair: Fady, McCool 12:14:00 mm: there are also some from TUM 12:14:44 mm: it would be good to have one readme but sectioned based on other implementations 12:16:48 mm: we have some TMs under manual 12:17:47 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2022.03.Online/TD/manual/TMs 2022.03.Online/TD/manual/TMs 12:17:55 ek: yes these were written by hand since we do not have a TM aware tool 12:18:45 mm: we need to think what it means to have a TM implementation 12:18:52 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:18:52 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/15-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 12:19:49 q? 12:20:10 mm: we need to organize where the results are taken to 12:20:34 topic: result organization 12:20:47 mm: I have done it for discovery but there it is different since we do the tests elsewhere and copy to the results 12:24:13 mm: we can havea results folder here but we should simply not look inside this for implementations 12:24:20 mm: should we have two folders for TM and TD outputs 12:24:32 ek: no need since for the implementation report, there will be a single table 12:25:38 i|I have done|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2022.03.Online/TD/Results 2022.03.Online/TD/Results 12:27:12 present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura 12:35:45 q+ 12:35:57 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2022.03.Online/Architecture 2022.03.Online/Architecture 12:36:39 ek: why don't we use the definitions for producer, consumer etc. that is agreed in the architecture spec? 12:36:43 ack k 12:37:01 mm: true. Let's do this now and come back to it when architecture TF decides 12:37:40 kaz: the Architecture area has a bit different directory structure from the other spec areas 12:37:57 mm: I will create it right now 12:38:21 i/I will/... will we make it similar to the others, e.g., adding active.csv and Results subdirectory? 12:38:32 i/the Ar/scribnick: kaz/ 12:38:43 i/I will/scribenick: Ege/ 12:43:38 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2022.03.Online/Profiles 2022.03.Online/Profiles 12:44:35 q+ 12:45:55 mm: we can look at the tools now 12:46:16 ek: there are too many places with tools information that is getting duplicated a lot 12:49:05 q? 12:49:15 sebastiankaebisch has joined #wot-pf 12:49:46 I need to move to another meeting 12:50:20 s/I need to move to another meeting/(Sebastian leaves)/ 12:52:19 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/242 Lagally's new PR 242 - additional device, converter fixes 12:52:34 ml: wondering if the VPN is available 12:52:36 ml: we should have versions of the tools in this directory per event 12:52:44 ml: another question, is the vpn up and running? 12:52:48 kt: yes 12:52:59 s/ml: wondering if the VPN is available// 12:53:05 mm: sorry I didnt have time to put my devices online 12:53:19 s/yes/yes, but so far only myself is connected/ 12:56:56 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/blob/main/events/2022.03.Online/TD/manual.csv 2022.03.Online/TD/manual.csv 12:59:05 https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1436 13:01:11 s/https/-> https/ 13:01:29 s/1436/1436 wot-thing-description PR 1436 - Fixing Assertive Language 13:01:35 ek: I have some PRs in the TD repository that should be merged asap 13:01:45 https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1428 13:02:04 s/https/-> https/ 13:02:19 s/1428/1428 wot-thing-description PR 1428 - Cleanup Security, Privacy, and IANA Considerations 13:02:29 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:02:29 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/15-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 13:03:35 i/topic: PRs/topic: Testfest/ 13:03:45 s/topic: PRs/subtopic: PRs/ 13:04:12 s/topic: result organization/subtopic: Results organization/ 13:04:27 s/topic: minutes review/topic: Minutes review/ 13:04:55 [Testfest part adjourned; 5-min break] 13:05:00 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:05:00 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/15-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 13:09:44 dezell has joined #wot-pf 13:09:51 topic: plugfest 13:09:53 present+ David_Ezell 13:18:20 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2022.03.Online/TD/Oracle Oracle devices 13:20:53 q? 13:20:55 q+ 13:20:57 ack ml 13:21:17 ack k 13:23:07 mlagally: Do we have something from ECHONET? 13:23:25 mmcool: Maybe from last time 13:23:51 i/Do we have/scribenick: Fady/ 13:24:28 q+ 13:25:07 mlagally: Are philips hue devices profile compliant? 13:25:37 ege: My TDs are but the devices themselves are probably not 13:26:24 mmcool: We should pick TDs that should be compliant and make copies and tag them to be profile compliant 13:26:57 ... mlagally, please make a PR and we will discuss further 13:29:07 mmcool: We can include the results of last event organizations that haven't submitted yet, but I will not copy them over to this event yet 13:30:05 ... we should ask to use ECHONET and NHK from last year 13:31:09 kaz: This is a testfest topic 13:31:49 mmcool: Will put it on todo-list, someone can talk to them and ask them 13:32:24 s/This is a testfest topic/This is a testfest topic, so we should clarify which part to be checked automatically for the Testfest and which part to be checked by some kind of emulator for the Plugfest part. Maybe we can ask NHK about their emulator software as well./ 13:33:28 mlagally: Toumura-san, could you ask them? 13:36:54 subtopic: Plugfest senarios 13:36:59 q+ 13:37:03 ack k 13:38:12 mmcool: I want to have a simple door switch, temp sensor and RGB light with a simple http stack and Node-red integration 13:39:21 david: The Connexxus presentation deadline would be end of April 13:40:13 mmcool: It's simple but we need to finish assertions 13:40:33 ... I will need to make an MQTT TD but I never did that before 13:42:30 ... what we want to do is in conflict with industrial interests 13:43:06 ... because there is little incentive to provide interconnected devices 13:43:29 david: There are also the security considerations 13:44:08 mmcool: I think for now we should not bother with security and do that in the second round 13:44:19 ... so first round LAN with no sec 13:44:35 .. M5Stack emulators 13:45:56 ... Second round would have PSK security and secure hub for access but node-red could be a problem with PSK 13:46:22 ... In the third round: Industial devices 13:49:13 mlagally: So devices in the first round are telemetry? 13:49:38 ege: not all 13:50:32 mlagally: so which devices are battery-powered? 13:50:55 mmcool: door switches and maybe temp sensors 13:51:31 mlagally: I ask because for telemetry devices this information is important 13:52:13 mmcool: devices that can sleep have either a way for waking them up or collecting missed data from somewhere like in MQTT 13:52:44 ... so my goal is to do a basic demo that also has discovery 13:53:30 ... we want to improve our internal implementations but also discover what industrial devices do 13:54:51 ege: Most of smart home devices have no security but the gateway is implements the security because you can only access the devices through the gateway 13:55:33 mmcool: I tried to buy an industial iot remote temperature sensor with sleep mode etc. 13:55:58 ... shelly is something in between industrial and home devices 13:57:01 mmcool: Philips Hue is good for RGB lights 13:57:50 ege: Philips Hue is HTTP through the gateway but devices use Zigbee so you can communicate directly 13:58:47 ->https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/blob/main/events/2022.03.Online/scenarios.md 2022.03.Online/scenarios.md 13:59:54 mlagally: Are there any other active devices that are outside the safety net of security? 14:00:24 mmcool: Maybe next time, maybe you can setup your digital twin instances 14:01:01 ... tomorrow testfest/plugfest call will be an hour later 14:01:08 ... will fix invites 14:01:11 [adjourned] 14:01:13 s/[adjourned]// 14:01:16 [adjourned] 14:01:22 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:01:22 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/15-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 15:57:20 Zakim has left #wot-pf