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12:07:20 <kaz> meeting: WoT Plugfest/Testfest
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12:07:55 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Fady_Salama, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool, Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:09:13 <kaz> scribenick: cris
12:09:37 <cris> fady: welcome everyone
12:10:18 <kaz> chair: Fady, McCool
12:10:37 <cris> mc: we merged a bunch of PRs
12:10:46 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
12:10:53 <cris> ... TMs and TDs has been added
12:11:06 <cris> ... ditto TMs and TDs are faling validation
12:11:21 <kaz> i/we merged/topic: PRs
12:11:22 <cris> ege: they should be fine, idk why they don't work
12:11:39 <cris> mc: ok, we'll check them later
12:11:52 <cris> ... merging PR 226
12:12:23 <kaz> i|we merged|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pulls?q=is%3Apr PRs|
12:12:25 <cris> ... we are grouping TDs by implementations
12:12:38 <kaz> present+ Philipp_Blum
12:12:57 <kaz> q+
12:13:10 <cris> ... is anybodyelse doing any implementation description?
12:13:19 <kaz> ack k
12:13:47 <cris> ... intel directory is not the best example
12:13:53 <cris> ... I'll update it later
12:14:06 <cris> ... good example is node-wot directory
12:14:09 <kaz> i/we are/topic: TD area for March Testfest/
12:14:39 <kaz> i|we are|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2022.03.Online/TD 2022.03.Online/TD|
12:15:09 <kaz> s/anybodyelse/anybody else/
12:15:59 <kaz> (Ditto, Intel, Oracle, editdor, hitachi-esp-idf, hitahchi-node-red, node-wot)
12:16:40 <cris> ... itachi has a online instance working together with discovery implementation
12:17:01 <kaz> s/Ditto/McCool goes through the sub-directories of Ditto/
12:17:02 <cris> ... editor folder has nothing live
12:17:13 <kaz> s/ itachi/ Hitachi/
12:17:20 <kaz> s/a online/an online/
12:17:24 <cris> seb: correct they were all generated using ediTDor
12:17:45 <cris> mc: it seems there are some duplicated TDs/TMs
12:17:48 <kaz> i/correct/tou: VPN is also available/
12:17:57 <cris> seb: good point I have to check
12:18:14 <cris> mc: ok we might treat tools differently
12:18:15 <kaz> s/editor folder/editdor folder/
12:20:52 <cris> mc: there is a sintax error inside manual.csv file in the root folder
12:21:05 <cris> ... we need to fix this after
12:21:16 <cris> ... some assertions need to be fixed as well
12:25:46 <cris> ... probably the active.csv template needs to be updated with additional information like links or a boolean saying if it is inside the VPN
12:27:24 <cris> ml: why don't we use the default assumption that if the active file is not avaible everything in the folder is online
12:27:42 <cris> mc: I think is better if anyone states the status in the active.csv file
12:29:20 <cris> ... any other updates for the tool descriptions?
12:29:25 <cris> fady: not yet
12:29:34 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:29:40 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:30:40 <kaz> s|Plugfest/Testfest|Testfest/Plugfest - Day 1|
12:30:42 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:31:34 <kaz> i/VPN/scribenick: kaz/
12:31:53 <kaz> i/correct they/scribenick: cris/
12:32:26 <cris> mc: about manual cvs a solution might be to delete the comment column
12:32:40 <cris> ege: but people need it to understand the assertion
12:33:00 <cris> mc: well people can just check the documentation this is not meant to be a reference
12:33:04 <kaz> s/... editdor folder has nothing live/
12:33:14 <cris> ege: I would prefer to keeping it
12:33:31 <kaz> i/correct they/... editdor folder has nothing live/
12:33:34 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:34:23 <cris> ... I was wondering also were this file coming from
12:34:30 <cris> ege: it is from playground
12:35:56 <cris> mc: we also have an interoperability problem between the scripts that generate the reports
12:36:18 <cris> ... the csv that my tool don't create the comment column
12:36:48 <cris> ... but Toumura's script does
12:37:10 <cris> toumura: my tool is uploaded
12:39:06 <ktoumura> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/blob/main/testing/extract.js my extraction tool
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12:43:45 <cris> mc: I pinpoint the right output file for my assertion extractor, it still doesn't contain the text
12:44:40 <cris> ... although for tools is not critical to know the the assertion text
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12:51:52 <cris> mc: published the template.csv generated with my tool
12:53:02 <cris> ... be careful about iana-security-* assertions
12:53:25 <cris> ... I'll update them cause they are not really useful, they are almost just recommandations rather than assertions
12:53:47 <cris> ... discovery call today is confirmed and there we are going to organize testing
12:54:04 <cris> ... in architecture we have a directory for implementation descriptions
12:54:45 <cris> ... are we ready for profiles? do we have assertions etc.?
12:54:53 <cris> ml: I think we can prepare for that
12:55:03 <cris> ... so that we are ready when everything is in place
12:57:12 <dape> q+
12:57:27 <cris> ege: for the implementers what they need to do?
12:58:03 <cris> mc: we have description for it but it might need improvements
12:58:10 <cris> ... I can add a link to the CSV
13:00:20 <dape> ack dape
13:00:20 <cris> dape: we talked a lot about csv fixes,  is active.csv ready?
13:00:33 <cris> mc: yeah
13:06:55 <kaz> [Testfest adjourned]
13:10:47 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:11:15 <kaz> i/probably the active/scribenick: cris/
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13:11:51 <kaz> i/topic: /subtopic: /
13:11:54 <kaz> i/topic: /subtopic: /
13:12:17 <kaz> i/welcome everyone/topic: Testfest/
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13:14:17 <kaz> s/subtopic: Testfest/topic: Testfest/
13:14:19 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:17:08 <kaz> q+
13:18:43 <kaz> ack k
13:18:51 <Fady__> topic: Continue Testfest Organization
13:19:03 <kaz> i/Cont/scribenick: Fady__/
13:19:46 <Fady__> subtopic: wot-architecture organization
13:20:09 <kaz> i/VPN is also/scribenick: kaz/
13:20:12 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:20:25 <Fady__> mccool: organizing template for wot-architecture
13:22:29 <Fady__> mlagally: maybe it would be better to add the assertion text
13:22:55 <Fady__> mccool: We could but that file wasn't meant for that
13:24:09 <Fady__> ... implemetation report has the descriptions
13:24:35 <Fady__> ... not all are understandable or self-contained
13:25:05 <Fady__> ege: We will not be able to validate architecture using assertion tester
13:25:32 <Fady__> mccool: Sorry, that will not happen. HTML is work in progress
13:26:30 <Fady__> ... will not do anything now until I talk with architecture-team because of conflicts
13:26:42 <Fady__> topic: Plugfest
13:27:03 <Fady__> mccool: Are there any Plugfest projects?
13:27:05 <benfrancis> q+
13:27:38 <Fady__> mlagally: depends on what is available
13:28:18 <kaz> present+ Ben_Francis
13:28:36 <Fady__> ... Ben do you have something?
13:29:55 <Fady__> ben: I will not be able to attend all Plugfest calls due to personal commitments but we have a snapshot of a discovery implementation
13:31:10 <Fady__> ... we have some open issues with TD
13:31:32 <Fady__> ... on the Profiles side we implemented all properties and events interactions
13:32:08 <Ege> q+
13:32:42 <Fady__> mccool: It may be better to have another directory for Plugfest
13:33:10 <Fady__> mlagally: No need to complicate the process
13:35:24 <Fady__> ege: Ben, if you change file endings and update @context your files will pass validation
13:36:40 <Fady__> ben: Not sure if a snapshot is more useful or if I manually edit them would be of more use
13:37:11 <Fady__> ege: manually edited files would be good to have examples for specific assertions
13:37:35 <Fady__> ben: If I have more time I could setup a life instance
13:37:44 <Fady__> ... it would be public
13:38:31 <Fady__> mccool: We can check of the parts that does pass the validation. Especially oauth2
13:39:14 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:39:15 <Fady__> ben: I would then make sure to change things for validation and work on a life instance
13:40:41 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/232 PR 232 - updating active.csv
13:41:18 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/233 PR 233 - update CSV with active Siemens devices
13:43:36 <Fady__> mlagally: Perhaps we should add another column called remarks in the active.csv
13:44:56 <kaz> [Plugfest adjourned]
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