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18:57:07 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make log public', Jem
18:57:15 <Jem> rrsagent, make minutes
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18:59:22 <Jem> Meeting:ARIA-APG
18:59:38 <Jem> Meeting: ARIA-APG
18:59:43 <Jem> Chair: Jemma
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19:04:33 <sarah_higley> present+
19:04:51 <jongunderson> present+ jongunderson
19:05:01 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/March-8%2C-2022-Agenda
19:05:18 <Jem> regret+ Mark
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19:05:46 <Matt_King> present+
19:06:20 <Jem> zakim, pick a scribe
19:06:20 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Matt_King
19:06:47 <Jem> Topic: Setup and Review Agenda
19:07:39 <jamesn> scribe: jamesn
19:08:13 <jamesn> agenda?
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19:09:39 <jamesn> TOPIC: future meetings
19:09:57 <jamesn> propose cancelling next week due to CSUN and axe-con
19:10:32 <Jem> Topic: issue triage
19:10:33 <jamesn> resolution: no meeting next week (Mar 15)
19:10:41 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+created%3A%3E2021-10-01+no%3Alabel+
19:10:55 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2060
19:10:56 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2060
19:11:14 <jamesn> Matt_King: This is a webkit issue with aria-activedescendant
19:11:21 <jamesn> Matt_King: we should just say that
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19:14:17 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2060
19:14:51 <jamesn> Matt_King: is there a WPT test for the name calculation algorithm for comboboxes?
19:14:55 <jamesn> jamesn: I don't know
19:15:09 <jamesn> jamesn: I would need to check
19:16:14 <jamesn> action: sarah_higley to check if there is a gecko bug
19:16:14 <trackbot> Error finding 'sarah_higley'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/users>.
19:16:37 <Jem> zakim, who is here?
19:16:37 <Zakim> Present: sarah_higley, jongunderson, Matt_King
19:16:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see siri, howard-e, Matt_King, sarah_higley, jongunderson, RRSAgent, Zakim, Jem, MichaelC, github-bot, jamesn, ZoeBijl, trackbot
19:16:46 <Jem> present+ seth
19:16:46 <howard-e> present+
19:16:55 <Jem> present+ siri
19:17:01 <Jem> present+ bryan
19:17:15 <Jem> present+ Alexander
19:17:17 <jamesn> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167671
19:17:22 <howard-e> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=231724
19:17:57 <jamesn> (dicussion about webkit bugs)
19:18:09 <jamesn> s/dicussion/discussion/
19:18:46 <jamesn> Matt_King: Gecko bug needs to be filed is if one is not already
19:20:32 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2050
19:21:40 <jamesn> Matt_King: sounds editorial
19:21:53 <jamesn> Matt_King: misinterpreting the text
19:22:05 <jamesn> topic: Open Pull Requests
19:22:13 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2194
19:24:35 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2194#issuecomment-1055785791
19:24:39 <Jem> james' comment
19:32:18 <jamesn> sarah_higley: This may be a browser bug
19:32:41 <jamesn> Matt_King: should not block the PR on this
19:32:45 <jamesn> all agreed
19:34:05 <jamesn> siri: would suggest this should not block the PR
19:34:19 <jamesn> Matt_King: not going to add to the documentation on this page
19:35:44 <jamesn> jamesn: suggest filing a new issue even if it is a chromium bug
19:36:19 <jamesn> jongunderson: original example was using buttons
19:36:47 <jamesn> jongunderson: likely that there is an artifact of the tabs being buttons... not sure we consider that a best practice or not
19:37:05 <jamesn> Matt_King: if using a non aria supporting browser would get fallback to buttons
19:37:19 <jamesn> Matt_King: in practice not sure how much of an issue that is
19:37:38 <jamesn> Matt_King: if had a website with older versions of TB on android it might be relevant
19:37:58 <jamesn> Matt_King: used to talk a lot about using the closest HTML
19:38:31 <jamesn> jongunderson: generally shy away from button unless closely related as have to undo a lot of stuff... tend to get unintended artifcacts
19:38:39 <jamesn> jongunderson: could be something to think about
19:39:00 <jamesn> Matt_King: thought what we were doing was accepted best practice
19:39:20 <jamesn> Matt_King: anyone have a viewpoint on this
19:39:49 <jamesn> sarah_higley: buttons have a different text selection behaviour - less selecty with static text
19:40:27 <jamesn> sarah_higley: if don't use a button then get some selection behaviour that is unintended
19:41:49 <jamesn> Matt_King: 4 years ago there was a lot of talk in best practice about this. Doesn't feel enough of an issue to write anything about but the fact we are using buttons may demonstrate that we should do that
19:42:51 <jamesn> action: jongunderson to file an issue about the high contrast border issue
19:42:51 <trackbot> Error finding 'jongunderson'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/users>.
19:43:28 <Jem> Topic: APG Site Redesign Update
19:43:28 <jamesn> topic: APG Site Redesign Update
19:43:52 <jamesn> seth: What to epxect in the content side
19:44:52 <jamesn> alex: do we want to put this HTML file into the root of the APG repo or do we want to consider any other options
19:45:01 <jamesn> ... I think we are pretty flexible
19:45:25 <jamesn> Matt_King: since it is the Home page and the default page - it feels to me like an index.html in the root directory
19:46:46 <jamesn> alex: sounds good to me
19:46:53 <jamesn> seth: sounds good to me too
19:47:06 <jamesn> ... try it out with a sibling file in the root
19:47:21 <jamesn> ... next step will be a PR to add the home page file
19:47:54 <jamesn> Matt_King: did you talk about for the resources segment there would be some sort of construct
19:48:06 <siri> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57685  for user select issue
19:48:30 <jamesn> alex: right now not dynamic just a document
19:49:01 <Jem> http://wai-aria-practices.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/
19:49:10 <jamesn> alex: built into the architecture... the links will point to the redesign links
19:49:30 <jamesn> Matt_King: right now building all those redesign links by parsing the giant file
19:51:30 <jamesn> Matt_King: 2 weeks from today have this new page and the netlify site being generated
19:52:42 <jamesn> Matt_King: going to be talking to E&O
19:52:57 <jamesn> Matt_King: where APG will live
19:53:56 <jamesn> jongunderson: is jump to in there?
19:54:03 <jamesn> Matt_King: on the preview site.
19:54:18 <jamesn> seth: will need someone to merge the PR
19:54:23 <Jem> Topic: File Directory Treeview Design Update
19:54:28 <jamesn> topic: Issue #1817
19:55:41 <jamesn> sarah_higley: how soon do you want this to happen
19:55:48 <jamesn> Matt_King: on your timetable
19:56:05 <jamesn> Matt_King: at this point current focus is getting current content out there
19:56:14 <Jem> rrsagent, make minutes
19:56:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/08-aria-apg-minutes.html Jem
19:56:26 <jamesn> Matt_King: at some point we will break the ability to push to our current editors draft
19:56:36 <jamesn> Matt_King: but doesn't need to affect timing
19:56:49 <jamesn> Matt_King: do we need time to discuss design goals
19:56:56 <jamesn> sarah_higley: set agenda time
19:57:07 <jamesn> sarah_higley: have an idea what it would look like
19:57:39 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
19:57:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/08-aria-apg-minutes.html jamesn
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