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15:57:26 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Meeting: PEWG
15:57:31 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Chair: Patrick H. Lauke
15:57:44 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/0d3af70c-0054-43dc-9c15-c60c5b9c3f3c/20220302T110000
15:58:02 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Scribe: Patrick H. Lauke
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16:00:50 <mustaq> present+ Mustaq
16:01:59 <Patrick_H_Lauke> TOPIC: Expand bullet about when pointercancel fires https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/pull/434
16:02:28 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: it's fairly minimal, but see if that covers what we need for now
16:02:33 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Olli: I think that's fine
16:02:52 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Robert: your example is very specific, but it's fine
16:03:33 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Mustaq: as it's "for example", is that now non-normative?
16:04:06 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Rob: normative point is still "when user agent determines there won't be more pointer events, send pointercancel", then we give examples
16:06:04 <Patrick_H_Lauke> RESOLUTION: PR is ok to merge
16:06:39 <Patrick_H_Lauke> TOPIC: Clarify which steps constitute canceling a pointer https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/400
16:06:50 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: this is related to what we just discussed I think
16:07:38 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Mustaq: I think Dominic asked originally https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/384#issuecomment-890219263
16:08:50 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Rob: sounds reasonable, i guess we need to put a PR together for this
16:09:01 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: do we have something similar already, in terms of structure, in our spec?
16:09:24 <flackr> https://www.w3.org/TR/pointerevents/#process-pending-pointer-capture
16:09:25 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Rob: there's process pending pointer capture
16:09:55 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Rob: similar to what's asked here, describe steps for cancelation event, which we can then refer to from HTML spec
16:10:08 <smaug> https://w3c.github.io/pointerevents/#process-pending-pointer-capture is the link to the latest version
16:10:36 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Mustaq: making it more algorithmic
16:11:23 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: should it be a sibling section to 5.1.3.2 ?
16:11:33 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Mustaq: it might look weird because pointercancel is defined later
16:11:46 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Rob: i think it's consistent though with the pointer capture
16:11:55 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Mustaq: section further down can then refer to this
16:12:22 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: volunteers to make an initial stab?
16:12:28 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Mustaq: I can take a look
16:13:55 <Patrick_H_Lauke> ACTION: Mustaq to draft PR for next meeting to add new section 5.1.3.2 Canceling pointer events (TBC)
16:14:29 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: that would take care of issue 400. what's left... https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Av3
16:14:52 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Olli: just reading https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/409
16:15:16 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Olli: since we have clarified coalesced list prose quite a bit since then, wondering what's left
16:16:44 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Olli: does spec say that for trusted event the list is NOT empty
16:17:46 <Patrick_H_Lauke> https://w3c.github.io/pointerevents/#dfn-coalesced-events-list
16:19:00 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Rob: so we need to add mention that the coalesced event list includes also the event itself that this was associated with
16:19:03 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Olli: a clone of the event
16:19:21 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Rob: the spec seems to already imply this, so maybe we just need an informative note rather than normative text
16:20:14 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Olli: it doesn't need it for predicted events list
16:20:36 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Mustaq: there's three bullets ("Monotonically..." etc). maybe we just add a bullet there
16:23:38 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: the subject of that list is "the events", so wouldn't quite work. Maybe just extend the sentence that ends "the list is a sequence of all PointerEvents that were coalesced into this event"
16:23:50 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Rob: this feels like we want both extending this, AND a note
16:24:03 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Mustaq: yes, let's not overload this sentence
16:24:16 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Olli: I guess I can try creating a PR for this
16:24:29 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: that'd be cool, thank you
16:24:48 <Patrick_H_Lauke> TOPIC: Relationship between main pointer event and coalesced events #409
16:26:15 <Patrick_H_Lauke> ACTION: Olli to make draft PR to address issue 409 - extend sentence/section to cover coalesced events including the last raw event
16:26:38 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Mustaq: i see we have respec errors in the spec
16:26:59 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: yes relating to "you have definitions, but nothing links to them". in https://w3c.github.io/pointerevents/ github version
16:27:10 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: i'll do a trawl through and see what needs correcting
16:30:15 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: looking further, we have 2 more issues left relating to pointer capture. #356 and #357. last comment on #357 is that we'll park it until #356 is resolved. I see #356 is that dreaded "mouse on green/mouse on blue" one. I'd suggest for next time, we tackle the two PRs that we decided to do today, and then look at #356
16:30:38 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: once #356 is then done, we can look further at #357. and then that clears our queue of v3 marked issues
16:31:30 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: thank you all, stay safe
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16:32:01 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in https://www.w3.org/2022/03/02-pointerevents-actions.rdf :
16:32:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mustaq to draft PR for next meeting to add new section 5.1.3.2 Canceling pointer events (TBC) [1]
16:32:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2022/03/02-pointerevents-irc#T16-13-55
16:32:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Olli to make draft PR to address issue 409 - extend sentence/section to cover coalesced events including the last raw event [2]
16:32:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2022/03/02-pointerevents-irc#T16-26-15