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11:53:38 <xfq> Meeting: MiniApps WG Teleconference
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11:53:45 <xfq> scribe: xfq
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12:00:51 <xfq> present+ martin
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12:01:03 <xfq> chair: QingAn
12:02:20 <xfq> present+ Canfeng
12:02:36 <xfq> Topic: White paper maintenance
12:03:15 <xfq> present+ tomayac
12:03:53 <xfq> present+ bingqing
12:04:01 <xfq> qing: github @@
12:04:03 <xfq> xfq: @@
12:04:14 <xfq> qing: update?
12:04:40 <xfq> dan: i haven't updated this yet
12:04:45 <xfq> ... will do it this week
12:05:03 <xfq> qing: previously the TAG asked the origin question
12:05:11 <xfq> ... we haven't defined origin in the white paper
12:05:28 <xfq> ... do you think we need to add something about origin in the white paper?
12:05:41 <xfq> ... it's more related to the security and privacy section
12:06:13 <QingAn> When a Miniapp is launched what origin can it be said to have, with regard to the web's security model? That would seem to be important from a lifecycle point of view.
12:06:56 <xfq> dan: i don't know what origin means in your description
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12:07:43 <xfq> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Origin
12:07:53 <xfq> present+ xiaoqian
12:08:58 <xfq> qing: previously we wrote the hosting app or OS is responsible for the security, but I'm not sure it's enough to answer the question from the TAG
12:09:10 <xfq> s/the security/the security of the miniapp/
12:09:59 <xfq> zitao: i think the origin issue is a common question about our work
12:10:11 <xfq> ... martin and i discussed this issue
12:10:35 <xfq> ... in Addressing and Packaging we also need to consider this issue
12:10:56 <xfq> ... I agree with you that we need to reflect this idea in the white paper
12:11:06 <xfq> ... I volunteer to work with Dan to work on the security part
12:12:01 <xfq> dan: I think the 'origin' concept is like our domain check in the network request API
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12:12:42 <xfq> qing: maybe you could take the action to update this section?
12:12:44 <xfq> dan: ok
12:13:34 <martin> present+ martin_alvarez
12:14:13 <xfq> xfq: we have some comments in Tencent Docs
12:14:29 <xfq> [discuss the comments in tencent docs]
12:19:01 <xfq> qing: my suggestion is we finish the update next week
12:19:18 <xfq> ... hope to have a rough consensus to publish this in our next meeting
12:20:00 <xfq> [discuss the MiniApp in the Globe section]
12:21:50 <xfq> qing: we can rename MiniApp in the Globe to MiniApp Standardization in the Globe
12:24:37 <xfq> qing: lifecycle
12:25:23 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-lifecycle/pull/18
12:26:43 <xfq> Related TAG issue -> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-lifecycle/issues/15
12:28:25 <xfq> qing: added two sentences about service workers and page visibility
12:30:35 <xiaoqian> xfq: this is not normative text, shall we point to the explainer in the White Paper?
12:30:55 <xiaoqian> zitao: agree, it shall be good enough
12:33:30 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-lifecycle/pull/21
12:33:44 <xfq> qing: any comments?
12:35:09 <xiaoqian> xfq: I see that this is a read-only value? can it be changed? is it still by default?
12:35:20 <xiaoqian> QingAn: oh, it can be deleted
12:35:36 <xiaoqian> martin: if you want to keep it, we can add a note for clarification
12:35:49 <xiaoqian> ... there are many examples there
12:36:24 <xiaoqian> QingAn: it will be useful for the developers
12:36:39 <xiaoqian> s/QingAn: it/Martin: it
12:37:14 <xiaoqian> QingAn: thank you for the suggestion, maybe I should add a note
12:38:05 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-lifecycle/pull/19
12:39:06 <xfq> [qing describes the PR]
12:40:14 <xfq> qing: we can keep this open and give people time to think about it
12:40:51 <xfq> qing: manifest
12:41:38 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/pull/40
12:41:54 <xfq> martin: wording fixes
12:42:01 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/pull/41
12:42:21 <xfq> martin: split the Privacy and Security sections
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12:42:32 <martin> https://raw.githack.com/espinr/miniapp-manifest/priv-sec-sections/index.html#security-considerations
12:43:37 <xfq> [martin introduces the changes in the PR]
12:46:08 <xfq> martin: saw questions from xfq
12:46:13 <xfq> ... haven't replied yet
12:49:57 <xiaoqian> xfq: is changing the UI more for security or for privacy?
12:50:15 <xiaoqian> martin: shall we move it to the Sec Consideration section?
12:50:20 <xiaoqian> xfq: maybe?
12:50:53 <xiaoqian> martin: it's more about security. If you want, I can move it to the Sec section?
12:51:01 <xiaoqian> xfq: yes...
12:51:58 <xiaoqian> QingAn: what's the plan to do a CfC in the group?
12:52:29 <xiaoqian> martin: it's ready to review when I finish some minor updates today
12:52:58 <xfq> qing: packaging
12:53:27 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-packaging/pull/45
12:53:36 <xfq> martin: Fixed ReSpec warning
12:53:52 <xfq> ... unless you have any objection I plan to merge it
12:54:20 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-packaging/pull/47
12:54:37 <xfq> martin: will update this PR today
12:55:56 <xfq> ... after merging this we can discuss the CSP issue
12:57:56 <xfq> qing: addressing and widget requirements?
12:58:11 <xfq> dan: two editorial PR from xfq
12:58:14 <xfq> ... i have merged them
12:58:54 <xfq> xfq: will send transition request for widget req
12:59:05 <xfq> Topic: TPAC 2022 hybrid meeting
12:59:21 <xfq> qing: survey from w3c
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12:59:53 <xfq> ... online or f2f?
13:00:12 <xfq> ... survey is about whether we can meet in person
13:00:41 <xfq> zitao: need some time to investigate
13:00:43 <xfq> ... we can discuss this in the next meeting
13:01:12 <QingAn> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34786/tpac2022-fall-meetings/
13:02:03 <xfq> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34786/tpac2022-fall-meetings/results
13:02:28 <xfq> qing: xfq could you send the questions to the group?
13:02:32 <xfq> xfq: ok
13:03:35 <xfq> qing: next meeting
13:03:51 <martin> +1
13:03:56 <martin> (March 24)
13:03:58 <xfq> March 24
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