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18:11:52 <Judy> agenda?
18:11:52 <trackbot> Meeting: WAI Coordination Call Teleconference
18:11:52 <trackbot> Date: 23 February 2022
18:11:59 <Judy> clear agenda
19:00:32 <Judy> agenda+ Scribe, rssagent, any agenda additions? (Please put present+ in IRC)
19:00:32 <Judy> agenda+ Updates: publication plans, announcements https://www.w3.org/WAI/cc/wiki/WAI_Announcement_Drafts
19:00:32 <Judy> agenda+ Checking: New work under development? And status on cross-WAI review requests.
19:00:32 <Judy> agenda+ Questions on W3C LE
19:00:33 <Judy> agenda+ Calendaring: A few quick follow-ups from last meeting's input on accessibility issues
19:00:33 <Judy> agenda+ TPAC: Having useful discussions with your groups about this? Virtual & hybrid hallways?
19:00:35 <Judy> agenda+ COGA: Updated work statement
19:00:36 <Judy> agenda+ Findability: Highlighting work done -- AUR series? EO docs?
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19:00:59 <shawn> zakim, who is on the phone?
19:00:59 <Zakim> Present: janina, tzviya, LisaSeemanKest, stevelee, George, Judy, Katie_Haritos-Shea, James, Matthew_Atkinson, brent, Sharron, Kim_patch, Ralph, Rachael
19:01:03 <shawn> present:
19:01:08 <shawn> present+ shawn
19:01:11 <shawn> agenda?
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19:04:49 <Judy> zakim, pick a victim
19:04:49 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose shawn
19:04:52 <janina> present+
19:04:58 <Judy> present+
19:05:01 <Judy> zakim, pick a victim
19:05:01 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Judy
19:05:05 <Judy> zakim, pick a victim
19:05:05 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose shawn
19:05:08 <Judy> zakim, pick a victim
19:05:08 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose shawn
19:05:41 <MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC
19:05:55 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
19:05:55 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Scribe, rssagent, any agenda additions? (Please put present+ in IRC) -- taken up [from Judy]
19:06:15 <MichaelC> zakim, close this item
19:06:15 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
19:06:15 <brent> present+
19:06:16 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
19:06:16 <Zakim> 2. Updates: publication plans, announcements https://www.w3.org/WAI/cc/wiki/WAI_Announcement_Drafts [from Judy]
19:06:16 <Kim_patch> present+
19:06:16 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
19:06:17 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Updates: publication plans, announcements https://www.w3.org/WAI/cc/wiki/WAI_Announcement_Drafts -- taken up [from Judy]
19:07:03 <MichaelC> js: SAUR soon, possibly second Wide Review
19:07:13 <MichaelC> exploring joint pub with Timed Text WG
19:08:48 <MichaelC> jb: how would comments be handled?
19:08:54 <MichaelC> mc: we can figure it out
19:09:53 <MichaelC> jb: Were redesigns announced? Were they supposed to be?
19:10:06 <MichaelC> slh: they´re not ready to announce, but we will announce
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19:10:39 <MichaelC> bk: just finished designer curricula, on to next
19:10:41 <Ryladog> Present+ Katie_Haritos-Shea
19:10:43 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
19:10:43 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Checking: New work under development? And status on cross-WAI review requests. -- taken up [from Judy]
19:11:12 <MichaelC> s/bk/bb/
19:11:23 <MichaelC> <crickets/>
19:11:28 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
19:11:28 <Zakim> agendum 3 was just opened, MichaelC
19:11:32 <MichaelC> zakim, close this item
19:11:32 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
19:11:33 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
19:11:33 <Zakim> 4. Questions on W3C LE [from Judy]
19:11:35 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
19:11:35 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Questions on W3C LE -- taken up [from Judy]
19:12:30 <MichaelC> js: Léonie Watson requested to present AB thinking on LE
19:13:01 <MichaelC> started with APA, they asked to include AG, so now it´s anycomers
19:13:18 <MichaelC> it´s scheduled 9 March 2022 10:00 am Boston time
19:13:20 <shawn> q+ to ask background needed?
19:14:01 <MichaelC> jb: just learned of this, find it unusual half of AB appears to be joining APA
19:14:11 <MichaelC> for this meeting
19:14:31 <MichaelC> appears to be targeting questions about WAI structure
19:14:33 <shawn> q+ to ask --- also EO vs. lean-mean-standards org
19:14:46 <MichaelC> for which there is background that appears not to have been considered
19:15:14 <MichaelC> perhaps open to all groups? time slot maybe an issue
19:15:41 <MichaelC> js: all I know is what they said, they want to introduce the plan and take questions
19:15:51 <shawn> ack me
19:15:51 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to ask background needed? and to ask --- also EO vs. lean-mean-standards org
19:15:54 <Judy> q+ Rachael
19:16:10 <MichaelC> slh: news to me as well
19:16:39 <MichaelC> if targeting WAI groups, could explore
19:16:56 <MichaelC> this call slot is for facilitators, would general group participants be welcome?
19:17:37 <MichaelC> a concern EO has is on how exclusively focused on standardization the LE would be
19:18:09 <MichaelC> rbm: +1 to invite AG directly, with context since we didn´t prime them
19:19:03 <MichaelC> js: @@
19:19:41 <MichaelC> jb: formation of LE has mainly been in Advisory Board (AB) and W3C Management (W3M)
19:20:02 <MichaelC> s/@@/looking for a faq for background/
19:20:13 <shawn> s/a concern EO has is on how exclusively focused on standardization the LE would be/issue related to EOWG is lean-mean-standards machine vs. including education and outreach. not sure when and how to present that to EOWG?
19:20:25 <MichaelC> there may be a FAQ being prepared, don´t know of a location yet
19:21:02 <MichaelC> js: the invite is structured around existence of an FAQ
19:21:24 <MichaelC> otherwise we´ll have to restructure and give people background only at the meeting
19:21:39 <MichaelC> q+
19:21:58 <MichaelC> jb: how was this coming to others?
19:22:21 <MichaelC> bb: picked up from Janina´s message, started to wonder
19:23:22 <MichaelC> also wonder how would impact EO ability to produce deliverables
19:23:46 <MichaelC> what should your WG AC reps know about?
19:24:05 <MichaelC> s/what/need to figure out what/
19:24:15 <MichaelC> jb: also staff
19:25:29 <MichaelC> mc: this thing kinda snowballed from a simple thing
19:25:30 <shawn> MC: I think this snowballed. Was little invite that grew to more
19:25:37 <shawn> s/MC: I think this snowballed. Was little invite that grew to more//
19:25:59 <MichaelC> jb: helpful to know it started casually; should have raised radar when half of AB joining a WG call
19:26:35 <MichaelC> because of overlap with other efforts, it could unintentionally disrupt
19:27:18 <MichaelC> we´ll need to be careful of use of the public channel in discussion
19:27:24 <MichaelC> ack me
19:27:25 <MichaelC> ack r
19:28:07 <MichaelC> we do need people to have the info, trying to keep things stable through the transition
19:28:44 <MichaelC> js: reinforcing the FAQ need, and also we plan to collect questions in advance
19:29:43 <MichaelC> <abstract transparency irony joke/>
19:30:05 <MichaelC> jb: funding is complex, need to avoid misunderstandings
19:30:19 <MichaelC> working a lot to keep consistent through the transition
19:30:42 <MichaelC> do most groups want to join this?
19:30:50 <MichaelC> bb: it is difficult without background
19:31:09 <MichaelC> if the chairs are sent some info, they could provide background in a WG meeting
19:31:32 <MichaelC> js: I can share the draft message, which has most of the content
19:32:32 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
19:32:32 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Calendaring: A few quick follow-ups from last meeting's input on accessibility issues -- taken up [from Judy]
19:33:40 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/2022/02/09-waicc-minutes#t01
19:33:56 <MichaelC> jb: interesting discussion last time
19:34:02 <MichaelC> also running into browser issues
19:34:14 <MichaelC> please keep reporting, e.g., in github
19:34:31 <MichaelC> any follow-ups to capture here?
19:34:49 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
19:34:49 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- TPAC: Having useful discussions with your groups about this? Virtual & hybrid hallways? -- taken up [from Judy]
19:35:24 <MichaelC> i|zakim, next item|<crickets/>|
19:35:36 <MichaelC> jb: how are discussions going?
19:36:27 <shawn> q+
19:37:09 <shawn> ack shawn
19:37:26 <MichaelC> jb: <asks scribe a question, who stops scribing a while to answer>
19:37:35 <MichaelC> ...
19:37:52 <shawn> shawn: something not right with this group. I think when adding people in DB, they are not getting added to e-mail, though I think e-mail is DB-backed
19:38:15 <MichaelC> jb: gonna talk to @@ about that and other things soon
19:38:20 <MichaelC> there´s a db-backed hack
19:38:33 <MichaelC> <switch to Team jargon>
19:38:58 <MichaelC> not scribed
19:39:09 <MichaelC> <switch back to WAI jargon>
19:39:11 <shawn> s/ though I think e-mail is DB-backed/ though I think e-mail should be DB-backed
19:39:37 <MichaelC> kp: <names/> examples of recent changes that didn´t work
19:40:10 <MichaelC> jb: think there are separate related issues
19:40:44 <MichaelC> s/@@/Ralph/
19:40:54 <MichaelC> will see if there is a better way to support wai-cc
19:41:55 <MichaelC> kp: there seems to be one or more lists I´m not on that people think I´m on
19:42:14 <MichaelC> jb: recent notice about hybrid meetings, did people pick that up?
19:42:18 <MichaelC> js: saw it, didn´t prioritize
19:42:45 <MichaelC> jb: axiom: APA thrives on intergroup contact
19:42:48 <MichaelC> js: given
19:43:13 <MichaelC> jb: this planning group is trying to figure out how to make that work well
19:43:22 <MichaelC> across time zones, geography
19:43:24 <MichaelC> etc.
19:43:40 <MichaelC> we really want crosstalk among groups, APA is a perfect use case
19:44:19 <MichaelC> js: sure; we´ve been burned in the past trying to accommodate everyone
19:44:32 <MichaelC> jb: that sounds like relevant input to that meeting
19:44:42 <Judy> agenda?
19:45:18 <MichaelC> js: examples of stuff we did at Fukuoka
19:45:48 <MichaelC> jb: which groups have people wanting an in person component?
19:45:57 <MichaelC> js: stronger yes than expected in APA and TFs
19:46:15 <MichaelC> bb: EO 50 / 50
19:46:23 <shawn> EOWG survey https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35532/f2f2022/results#xcoming
19:46:35 <MichaelC> q+
19:46:52 <MichaelC> would rather meet 1 day FtF than a 2-day virtual meeting
19:47:03 <MichaelC> at TPAC we typically take the other day to join other groups
19:47:13 <MichaelC> would probably continue that pattern
19:48:18 <shawn> MC: APA want ot meet in person. AG Chairs checking. AG Chairs feel strongly to meet. We expect hybrid. Enough to meet in perons, and some not in person.
19:48:31 <MichaelC> s/APA/ARIA/
19:48:35 <MichaelC> jb: TFs?
19:49:46 <MichaelC> kp: probably won´t
19:50:03 <MichaelC> <back to DB systems issues/>
19:50:23 <MichaelC> jb: suggest file to sysreq@w3.org, copy MichaelC and me
19:50:49 <MichaelC> wonder if inviting a Systems person here to collect issues would be helpful?
19:50:51 <brent> Generally have access to all tools and resources when needed. Shawn helps when access is an issue.
19:50:56 <Ryladog> is TPAC still planned for 12-16 September in Vancouver?
19:51:02 <MichaelC> ack me
19:51:02 <Judy> ack m
19:51:09 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
19:51:09 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- COGA: Updated work statement -- taken up [from Judy]
19:51:31 <MichaelC> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m7-BSm9IFWN9tszIf24oVnFRpq-4n27CKCiXXxMqaYs/edit#heading=h.jjvpg48our9q
19:51:59 <MichaelC> jb: further discussion, any update?
19:52:07 <MichaelC> rbm: not right now
19:52:30 <MichaelC> jb: is there a window for comment still?
19:52:42 <MichaelC> rbm: very short window, before going to AG and APA for approval
19:53:19 <MichaelC> zakim, next itme
19:53:19 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next itme', MichaelC
19:53:21 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
19:53:21 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Findability: Highlighting work done -- AUR series? EO docs? -- taken up [from Judy]
19:53:54 <MichaelC> jb: reviewing materials over the past year
19:54:00 <shawn> q+ to say that's on my list
19:54:09 <MichaelC> wonder if there should a batched highlight on the AURs
19:54:15 <MichaelC> q+
19:54:48 <MichaelC> slh: to start, set up an overview page for them
19:55:16 <MichaelC> think we should do something quick and simple
19:55:23 <MichaelC> then come back to easier to find etc.
19:55:24 <shawn> ack me
19:55:24 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say that's on my list
19:55:25 <Judy> q+
19:55:32 <Judy> ack m
19:55:41 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/?tag=accessibility
19:55:44 <shawn> MC: maybe under quick and simple - TR page tagging
19:55:55 <shawn> ... could request tag for -AURs
19:56:14 <MichaelC> ack me
19:56:15 <MichaelC>  ack j
19:57:10 <MichaelC> jb: re categorization, think separating AUR from Pronunciation / Personalization specs important
19:57:18 <shawn> q+ to say what WAi's working on
19:57:39 <janina> q+
19:57:52 <MichaelC> slh: long on the todo list to create a resource for WAI current work
19:57:53 <MichaelC> ack s
19:57:53 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say what WAi's working on
19:58:05 <Ryladog> Do we have a sitemap (nightmare, I know)?
19:58:05 <MichaelC> aiming for before CSUN this year
19:58:55 <Judy> ack sh
19:58:56 <MichaelC> ack j
19:59:35 <MichaelC> js: note only 3 - 4 are completed, others in development
20:00:47 <MichaelC> slh: note Low Vision and Mobile have similar content not yet in the AUR format
20:01:30 <Judy> agenda?
20:01:30 <MichaelC> js: @@
20:01:37 <MichaelC> jb: +1, circle back
20:01:42 <MichaelC> zakim, close this item
20:01:42 <Zakim> agendum 8 closed
20:01:43 <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
20:01:51 <MichaelC> present+
20:01:57 <Judy> s/@@/what about accessibility of remote meetings/
20:02:40 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
20:02:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/23-waicc-minutes.html MichaelC
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