IRC log of waicc on 2022-02-23
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- agenda?
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- Meeting: WAI Coordination Call Teleconference
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- Date: 23 February 2022
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- clear agenda
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- agenda+ Scribe, rssagent, any agenda additions? (Please put present+ in IRC)
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- agenda+ Updates: publication plans, announcements https://www.w3.org/WAI/cc/wiki/WAI_Announcement_Drafts
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- agenda+ Checking: New work under development? And status on cross-WAI review requests.
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- agenda+ Questions on W3C LE
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- agenda+ Calendaring: A few quick follow-ups from last meeting's input on accessibility issues
- 19:00:33 [Judy]
- agenda+ TPAC: Having useful discussions with your groups about this? Virtual & hybrid hallways?
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- agenda+ COGA: Updated work statement
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- agenda+ Findability: Highlighting work done -- AUR series? EO docs?
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- Present: janina, tzviya, LisaSeemanKest, stevelee, George, Judy, Katie_Haritos-Shea, James, Matthew_Atkinson, brent, Sharron, Kim_patch, Ralph, Rachael
- 19:01:03 [shawn]
- present:
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- present+ shawn
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- agenda?
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- 19:04:49 [Judy]
- zakim, pick a victim
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- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose shawn
- 19:04:52 [janina]
- present+
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- present+
- 19:05:01 [Judy]
- zakim, pick a victim
- 19:05:01 [Zakim]
- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Judy
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- zakim, pick a victim
- 19:05:05 [Zakim]
- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose shawn
- 19:05:08 [Judy]
- zakim, pick a victim
- 19:05:08 [Zakim]
- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose shawn
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- scribe: MichaelC
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- zakim, next item
- 19:05:55 [Zakim]
- agendum 1 -- Scribe, rssagent, any agenda additions? (Please put present+ in IRC) -- taken up [from Judy]
- 19:06:15 [MichaelC]
- zakim, close this item
- 19:06:15 [Zakim]
- agendum 1 closed
- 19:06:15 [brent]
- present+
- 19:06:16 [Zakim]
- I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 2. Updates: publication plans, announcements https://www.w3.org/WAI/cc/wiki/WAI_Announcement_Drafts [from Judy]
- 19:06:16 [Kim_patch]
- present+
- 19:06:16 [MichaelC]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2 -- Updates: publication plans, announcements https://www.w3.org/WAI/cc/wiki/WAI_Announcement_Drafts -- taken up [from Judy]
- 19:07:03 [MichaelC]
- js: SAUR soon, possibly second Wide Review
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- exploring joint pub with Timed Text WG
- 19:08:48 [MichaelC]
- jb: how would comments be handled?
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- mc: we can figure it out
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- jb: Were redesigns announced? Were they supposed to be?
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- slh: they´re not ready to announce, but we will announce
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- bk: just finished designer curricula, on to next
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- Present+ Katie_Haritos-Shea
- 19:10:43 [MichaelC]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 3 -- Checking: New work under development? And status on cross-WAI review requests. -- taken up [from Judy]
- 19:11:12 [MichaelC]
- s/bk/bb/
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- <crickets/>
- 19:11:28 [MichaelC]
- zakim, next item
- 19:11:28 [Zakim]
- agendum 3 was just opened, MichaelC
- 19:11:32 [MichaelC]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 3 closed
- 19:11:33 [Zakim]
- I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 4. Questions on W3C LE [from Judy]
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 4 -- Questions on W3C LE -- taken up [from Judy]
- 19:12:30 [MichaelC]
- js: Léonie Watson requested to present AB thinking on LE
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- started with APA, they asked to include AG, so now it´s anycomers
- 19:13:18 [MichaelC]
- it´s scheduled 9 March 2022 10:00 am Boston time
- 19:13:20 [shawn]
- q+ to ask background needed?
- 19:14:01 [MichaelC]
- jb: just learned of this, find it unusual half of AB appears to be joining APA
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- for this meeting
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- appears to be targeting questions about WAI structure
- 19:14:33 [shawn]
- q+ to ask --- also EO vs. lean-mean-standards org
- 19:14:46 [MichaelC]
- for which there is background that appears not to have been considered
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- perhaps open to all groups? time slot maybe an issue
- 19:15:41 [MichaelC]
- js: all I know is what they said, they want to introduce the plan and take questions
- 19:15:51 [shawn]
- ack me
- 19:15:51 [Zakim]
- shawn, you wanted to ask background needed? and to ask --- also EO vs. lean-mean-standards org
- 19:15:54 [Judy]
- q+ Rachael
- 19:16:10 [MichaelC]
- slh: news to me as well
- 19:16:39 [MichaelC]
- if targeting WAI groups, could explore
- 19:16:56 [MichaelC]
- this call slot is for facilitators, would general group participants be welcome?
- 19:17:37 [MichaelC]
- a concern EO has is on how exclusively focused on standardization the LE would be
- 19:18:09 [MichaelC]
- rbm: +1 to invite AG directly, with context since we didn´t prime them
- 19:19:03 [MichaelC]
- js: @@
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- jb: formation of LE has mainly been in Advisory Board (AB) and W3C Management (W3M)
- 19:20:02 [MichaelC]
- s/@@/looking for a faq for background/
- 19:20:13 [shawn]
- s/a concern EO has is on how exclusively focused on standardization the LE would be/issue related to EOWG is lean-mean-standards machine vs. including education and outreach. not sure when and how to present that to EOWG?
- 19:20:25 [MichaelC]
- there may be a FAQ being prepared, don´t know of a location yet
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- js: the invite is structured around existence of an FAQ
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- otherwise we´ll have to restructure and give people background only at the meeting
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- q+
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- jb: how was this coming to others?
- 19:22:21 [MichaelC]
- bb: picked up from Janina´s message, started to wonder
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- also wonder how would impact EO ability to produce deliverables
- 19:23:46 [MichaelC]
- what should your WG AC reps know about?
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- s/what/need to figure out what/
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- jb: also staff
- 19:25:29 [MichaelC]
- mc: this thing kinda snowballed from a simple thing
- 19:25:30 [shawn]
- MC: I think this snowballed. Was little invite that grew to more
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- s/MC: I think this snowballed. Was little invite that grew to more//
- 19:25:59 [MichaelC]
- jb: helpful to know it started casually; should have raised radar when half of AB joining a WG call
- 19:26:35 [MichaelC]
- because of overlap with other efforts, it could unintentionally disrupt
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- we´ll need to be careful of use of the public channel in discussion
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- ack me
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- ack r
- 19:28:07 [MichaelC]
- we do need people to have the info, trying to keep things stable through the transition
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- js: reinforcing the FAQ need, and also we plan to collect questions in advance
- 19:29:43 [MichaelC]
- <abstract transparency irony joke/>
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- jb: funding is complex, need to avoid misunderstandings
- 19:30:19 [MichaelC]
- working a lot to keep consistent through the transition
- 19:30:42 [MichaelC]
- do most groups want to join this?
- 19:30:50 [MichaelC]
- bb: it is difficult without background
- 19:31:09 [MichaelC]
- if the chairs are sent some info, they could provide background in a WG meeting
- 19:31:32 [MichaelC]
- js: I can share the draft message, which has most of the content
- 19:32:32 [MichaelC]
- zakim, next item
- 19:32:32 [Zakim]
- agendum 5 -- Calendaring: A few quick follow-ups from last meeting's input on accessibility issues -- taken up [from Judy]
- 19:33:40 [MichaelC]
- https://www.w3.org/2022/02/09-waicc-minutes#t01
- 19:33:56 [MichaelC]
- jb: interesting discussion last time
- 19:34:02 [MichaelC]
- also running into browser issues
- 19:34:14 [MichaelC]
- please keep reporting, e.g., in github
- 19:34:31 [MichaelC]
- any follow-ups to capture here?
- 19:34:49 [MichaelC]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 6 -- TPAC: Having useful discussions with your groups about this? Virtual & hybrid hallways? -- taken up [from Judy]
- 19:35:24 [MichaelC]
- i|zakim, next item|<crickets/>|
- 19:35:36 [MichaelC]
- jb: how are discussions going?
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- q+
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- ack shawn
- 19:37:26 [MichaelC]
- jb: <asks scribe a question, who stops scribing a while to answer>
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- ...
- 19:37:52 [shawn]
- shawn: something not right with this group. I think when adding people in DB, they are not getting added to e-mail, though I think e-mail is DB-backed
- 19:38:15 [MichaelC]
- jb: gonna talk to @@ about that and other things soon
- 19:38:20 [MichaelC]
- there´s a db-backed hack
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- <switch to Team jargon>
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- not scribed
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- <switch back to WAI jargon>
- 19:39:11 [shawn]
- s/ though I think e-mail is DB-backed/ though I think e-mail should be DB-backed
- 19:39:37 [MichaelC]
- kp: <names/> examples of recent changes that didn´t work
- 19:40:10 [MichaelC]
- jb: think there are separate related issues
- 19:40:44 [MichaelC]
- s/@@/Ralph/
- 19:40:54 [MichaelC]
- will see if there is a better way to support wai-cc
- 19:41:55 [MichaelC]
- kp: there seems to be one or more lists I´m not on that people think I´m on
- 19:42:14 [MichaelC]
- jb: recent notice about hybrid meetings, did people pick that up?
- 19:42:18 [MichaelC]
- js: saw it, didn´t prioritize
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- jb: axiom: APA thrives on intergroup contact
- 19:42:48 [MichaelC]
- js: given
- 19:43:13 [MichaelC]
- jb: this planning group is trying to figure out how to make that work well
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- across time zones, geography
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- etc.
- 19:43:40 [MichaelC]
- we really want crosstalk among groups, APA is a perfect use case
- 19:44:19 [MichaelC]
- js: sure; we´ve been burned in the past trying to accommodate everyone
- 19:44:32 [MichaelC]
- jb: that sounds like relevant input to that meeting
- 19:44:42 [Judy]
- agenda?
- 19:45:18 [MichaelC]
- js: examples of stuff we did at Fukuoka
- 19:45:48 [MichaelC]
- jb: which groups have people wanting an in person component?
- 19:45:57 [MichaelC]
- js: stronger yes than expected in APA and TFs
- 19:46:15 [MichaelC]
- bb: EO 50 / 50
- 19:46:23 [shawn]
- EOWG survey https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35532/f2f2022/results#xcoming
- 19:46:35 [MichaelC]
- q+
- 19:46:52 [MichaelC]
- would rather meet 1 day FtF than a 2-day virtual meeting
- 19:47:03 [MichaelC]
- at TPAC we typically take the other day to join other groups
- 19:47:13 [MichaelC]
- would probably continue that pattern
- 19:48:18 [shawn]
- MC: APA want ot meet in person. AG Chairs checking. AG Chairs feel strongly to meet. We expect hybrid. Enough to meet in perons, and some not in person.
- 19:48:31 [MichaelC]
- s/APA/ARIA/
- 19:48:35 [MichaelC]
- jb: TFs?
- 19:49:46 [MichaelC]
- kp: probably won´t
- 19:50:03 [MichaelC]
- <back to DB systems issues/>
- 19:50:23 [MichaelC]
- jb: suggest file to sysreq@w3.org, copy MichaelC and me
- 19:50:49 [MichaelC]
- wonder if inviting a Systems person here to collect issues would be helpful?
- 19:50:51 [brent]
- Generally have access to all tools and resources when needed. Shawn helps when access is an issue.
- 19:50:56 [Ryladog]
- is TPAC still planned for 12-16 September in Vancouver?
- 19:51:02 [MichaelC]
- ack me
- 19:51:02 [Judy]
- ack m
- 19:51:09 [MichaelC]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 7 -- COGA: Updated work statement -- taken up [from Judy]
- 19:51:31 [MichaelC]
- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m7-BSm9IFWN9tszIf24oVnFRpq-4n27CKCiXXxMqaYs/edit#heading=h.jjvpg48our9q
- 19:51:59 [MichaelC]
- jb: further discussion, any update?
- 19:52:07 [MichaelC]
- rbm: not right now
- 19:52:30 [MichaelC]
- jb: is there a window for comment still?
- 19:52:42 [MichaelC]
- rbm: very short window, before going to AG and APA for approval
- 19:53:19 [MichaelC]
- zakim, next itme
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- I don't understand 'next itme', MichaelC
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- zakim, next item
- 19:53:21 [Zakim]
- agendum 8 -- Findability: Highlighting work done -- AUR series? EO docs? -- taken up [from Judy]
- 19:53:54 [MichaelC]
- jb: reviewing materials over the past year
- 19:54:00 [shawn]
- q+ to say that's on my list
- 19:54:09 [MichaelC]
- wonder if there should a batched highlight on the AURs
- 19:54:15 [MichaelC]
- q+
- 19:54:48 [MichaelC]
- slh: to start, set up an overview page for them
- 19:55:16 [MichaelC]
- think we should do something quick and simple
- 19:55:23 [MichaelC]
- then come back to easier to find etc.
- 19:55:24 [shawn]
- ack me
- 19:55:24 [Zakim]
- shawn, you wanted to say that's on my list
- 19:55:25 [Judy]
- q+
- 19:55:32 [Judy]
- ack m
- 19:55:41 [MichaelC]
- https://www.w3.org/TR/?tag=accessibility
- 19:55:44 [shawn]
- MC: maybe under quick and simple - TR page tagging
- 19:55:55 [shawn]
- ... could request tag for -AURs
- 19:56:14 [MichaelC]
- ack me
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- ack j
- 19:57:10 [MichaelC]
- jb: re categorization, think separating AUR from Pronunciation / Personalization specs important
- 19:57:18 [shawn]
- q+ to say what WAi's working on
- 19:57:39 [janina]
- q+
- 19:57:52 [MichaelC]
- slh: long on the todo list to create a resource for WAI current work
- 19:57:53 [MichaelC]
- ack s
- 19:57:53 [Zakim]
- shawn, you wanted to say what WAi's working on
- 19:58:05 [Ryladog]
- Do we have a sitemap (nightmare, I know)?
- 19:58:05 [MichaelC]
- aiming for before CSUN this year
- 19:58:55 [Judy]
- ack sh
- 19:58:56 [MichaelC]
- ack j
- 19:59:35 [MichaelC]
- js: note only 3 - 4 are completed, others in development
- 20:00:47 [MichaelC]
- slh: note Low Vision and Mobile have similar content not yet in the AUR format
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- agenda?
- 20:01:30 [MichaelC]
- js: @@
- 20:01:37 [MichaelC]
- jb: +1, circle back
- 20:01:42 [MichaelC]
- zakim, close this item
- 20:01:42 [Zakim]
- agendum 8 closed
- 20:01:43 [Zakim]
- I see nothing remaining on the agenda
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- present+
- 20:01:57 [Judy]
- s/@@/what about accessibility of remote meetings/
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/23-waicc-minutes.html MichaelC
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