IRC log of wot on 2022-02-09

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12:59:34 [kaz]
meeting: WoT-IG/WG
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topic: minute review
13:13:17 [kaz]
-> https://www.w3.org/2022/02/02-wot-minutes.html Feb-2
13:13:35 [kaz]
agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#9_February_2022
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chair: McCool
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regrets+ Sebastian
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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan
13:14:36 [kaz]
(minutes approved)
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topic: Editors call
13:14:59 [kaz]
-> https://www.w3.org/2022/02/08-wot-ed-minutes.html Feb-8 minutes
13:15:06 [kaz]
mm: discussion on terminology, etc.
13:15:19 [kaz]
... more discussion during the Architecture call tomorrow
13:15:25 [kaz]
topic: WoT-JP CG
13:15:36 [kaz]
mizu: will organize outreach events
13:15:44 [kaz]
mm: concrete dates?
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13:15:52 [kaz]
mizu: will let you know once decided
13:16:30 [Ege]
topic: tpac 2022
13:16:46 [kaz]
i/approved/scribenick: kaz/
13:16:50 [kaz]
scribenick: Ege
13:17:01 [Ege]
mm: the main question is whether to do hybrid or virtual
13:17:11 [dape]
q+
13:17:32 [kaz]
present+ Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Lagally, Michael_Koster, Ryuichi_Matsukura, Tetsushi_Matsuda, Tomoaki_Mizushima
13:18:15 [dape]
q-
13:18:17 [Ege]
... we need to think about plugfest and f2f
13:18:41 [Ege]
q+
13:19:00 [Ege]
mm: I want to say yes if there is no quarantine at entry
13:19:28 [kaz]
q+
13:19:44 [kaz]
ack e
13:21:57 [Ege]
ege: I would like to attend physically if enough people show up so that we can have longer meetings and talks
13:22:14 [Ege]
mm: do not forget that preparing for travel and travelling takes time
13:22:34 [dape]
q+
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q-
13:23:46 [Ege]
kaz: as w3c, we want to have your honest opinion, not only meeting but also socializing, fees etc.
13:23:51 [kaz]
ack k
13:24:15 [mlagally_]
q+
13:25:29 [mlagally_]
ack m
13:25:30 [kaz]
s/have/get/
13:25:37 [kaz]
s/opinion/opinions/
13:26:15 [Ege]
ml: I am a big fan of physical meetings but a physical event this year this year seems not feasible due to covid, just a stomach feeling
13:26:40 [Ege]
mm: we have 4 months charter extension
13:28:18 [kaz]
s/extension/extension to finalize the one year extension procedure/
13:28:24 [Ege]
mm: any further comments on the charter extension?
13:28:42 [kaz]
rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/09-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:29:16 [Ege]
topic: publications
13:29:45 [kaz]
i/publications/(none)/
13:30:11 [Ege]
mm: my understanding is that we are adding dataresponse and get WD out the door
13:30:20 [Ege]
ml: yes but keeping it open for the notify operation
13:31:25 [Ege]
mm: discovery: we do not have a normative content on what the consumer should do with discovery
13:32:28 [Ege]
mm: so that needs to be written, which pushes our feature freeze date
13:33:21 [Ege]
mm: also somehow we have duplicate text in the schedule, will fix it
13:34:51 [Ege]
ml: the last dates should be PRs
13:34:59 [Ege]
mm: that is probably why there are the duplicates
13:36:25 [Ege]
mm: another ongoing thing is the wide review
13:37:50 [Ege]
mm: I am doing the security and privacy questionnaire for td but I am now wondering if we should do one but link to multiple specs we are working on since there are lots of duplications
13:38:42 [Ege]
mm: there are some small changes in the questionnaire
13:39:25 [Ege]
mm: in the PR I also have the old questionnaire in the same readme
13:39:59 [kaz]
present+ Fady_Salama
13:40:50 [Ege]
mm: I think one document makes more sense
13:41:02 [Ege]
ege: do you mean all deliverables or only the ones in the rec track?
13:41:06 [Ege]
mm: only in the rec track
13:41:09 [dape]
q+
13:41:15 [Ege]
mm: I will have a draft ready this week
13:41:45 [dape]
ack dape
13:42:44 [kaz]
q+
13:43:49 [Ege]
dp: would this mean that one issue would block all documents?
13:43:58 [Ege]
mm: if structured well, I hope it does not
13:44:37 [Ege]
kaz: I think it would be good to have a template written by you
13:45:54 [kaz]
s/I think it would be good/That's a possible approach, but I think it might be easier/
13:46:25 [kaz]
s/by you/by you, and the other Editors extend that template for their specs./
13:46:29 [kaz]
ack k
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q?
13:46:32 [Ege]
topic: WoT CG
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13:47:15 [kaz]
-> https://www.w3.org/community/about/tool/#choose-chair guide for CG Chair selection
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q+
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[[
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When a group has already chosen its Chair(s), only the Chair(s) themselves see the checkboxes. Only Chairs may add or remove Chairs. Chairs may remove themselves.
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]]
13:48:29 [Ege]
mm: dr has made ege and cristiano chairs of the CG, which does not follow the process
13:48:41 [Ege]
mm: now we have to remove them as chairs, start voting procedure
13:49:23 [cris]
q+
13:49:28 [kaz]
ack k
13:49:29 [Ege]
kaz: I am talking with Dave
13:51:33 [kaz]
s/Dave/Dave, and would suggest (1) we once remove the update Chairs candidates wrongly nominated, and (2) we start over the official Chair selection procedure. I'll send a reminder about that to the CG mailing list about the procedure responding to Dave's message./
13:51:51 [kaz]
-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-of-things/2022Jan/0000.html Dave's message
13:53:11 [Ege]
mm: I will run my tools to update the template
13:53:38 [Ege]
mm: we also have the recordings of the ITU-T webinarr
13:53:51 [kaz]
i/I will run/topic: Testing/
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i/we also/topic: Liaisons/
13:54:11 [kaz]
i/we also/subtopic: ITU-T Webinar/
13:54:16 [Ege]
mm: of interest, Long Rong from China Telecom has presented what she called Thing Models but actually it is digital twins
13:54:36 [kaz]
i|of in|-> https://www.itu.int/en/ITU-T/webinars/20220203/Pages/default.aspx Webinar page|
13:54:52 [kaz]
s/China Telecom/China Mobile/
13:55:42 [Ege]
mm: so we should get into touch with china telecom
13:56:36 [McCool]
q?
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ack c
13:56:54 [Ege]
mm: we also had some geospatial discussions in the use case call
13:56:57 [kaz]
q+
13:57:00 [Ege]
mm: anything new from Echonet?
13:57:28 [Ege]
kaz: yes I have worked with them for further discussion
13:57:51 [kaz]
s/yes I have worked/yes, I've been working with them/
13:57:51 [Ege]
... they will have a joint event with japanese CG and X (kaz I could not catch the other participant)
13:58:01 [kaz]
s/they/FYI, they/
13:58:41 [Ege]
mm: they also asked us to speak in the IETF, should be soon
13:58:47 [McCool]
https://github.com/t2trg/2022-03-summary
13:59:02 [Ege]
mm: we have a 15 mins slot to give updates
13:59:02 [kaz]
s/ they will have a joint event with japanese CG and X (kaz I could not catch the other participant)/they're talking with the WoT-JP CG as well, and (as Mizushima-san mentioned) there is a plan to have a joint event in March./
13:59:35 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/09-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:00:12 [Ege]
mm: a bit late for japan. they are also doing some work on iot security that is of interest
14:00:19 [Ege]
mm: aob?
14:01:27 [kaz]
s/china telecom/China Mobile/
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i/anything new from/subtopic: ECHONET/
14:02:00 [kaz]
i/they also/subtopic: IRTF T2TRG/
14:02:14 [kaz]
s/they also/T2TRG also/
14:02:29 [kaz]
[adjourned]
14:02:33 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/09-wot-minutes.html kaz
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topic: previous minutes
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fady: we discussed about a possible test suite for discovery
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present+ David_Ezell
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