IRC log of wot-ed on 2022-02-08

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logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/02/08-wot-ed-irc
11:00:29 [kaz]
meeting: WoT Editors
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meeting: WoT Editors
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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Tomoaki_Mizushima
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present+ Michael_McCool
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present+ Michael_Lagally
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topic: Minutes
11:02:44 [kaz]
-> https://www.w3.org/2022/02/01-wot-ed-minutes.html Feb-1
11:05:53 [kaz]
typo fixed
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approved
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present+ Ege_Korkan
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topic: Terminology
11:07:31 [kaz]
-> https://w3c.github.io/wot-discovery/#terminology Discovery spec - 3. Terminology
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mm: ReSpec issues there
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[[
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Found definition for "Thing Description", but nothing links to it. This is usually a spec bug!
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How to fix: Either remove the definition, or add a "lint-ignore" CSS class. If you meant to export it, add the export CSS.
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Occurred 1 times at:
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<dfn> element
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(plugin: "core/linter-rules/no-unused-dfns")
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Found definition for "Property", but nothing links to it. This is usually a spec bug!
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How to fix: Either remove the definition, or add a "lint-ignore" CSS class. If you meant to export it, add the export CSS.
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Occurred 1 times at:
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<dfn> element
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(plugin: "core/linter-rules/no-unused-dfns")
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Found definition for "Action", but nothing links to it. This is usually a spec bug!
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How to fix: Either remove the definition, or add a "lint-ignore" CSS class. If you meant to export it, add the export CSS.
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Occurred 1 times at:
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<dfn> element
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(plugin: "core/linter-rules/no-unused-dfns")
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Found definition for "Event", but nothing links to it. This is usually a spec bug!
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How to fix: Either remove the definition, or add a "lint-ignore" CSS class. If you meant to export it, add the export CSS.
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Occurred 1 times at:
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<dfn> element
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(plugin: "core/linter-rules/no-unused-dfns")
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Found definition for "Discovery", but nothing links to it. This is usually a spec bug!
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How to fix: Either remove the definition, or add a "lint-ignore" CSS class. If you meant to export it, add the export CSS.
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Occurred 1 times at:
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<dfn> element
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(plugin: "core/linter-rules/no-unused-dfns")
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Found definition for "Exploration", but nothing links to it. This is usually a spec bug!
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How to fix: Either remove the definition, or add a "lint-ignore" CSS class. If you meant to export it, add the export CSS.
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Occurred 1 times at:
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<dfn> element
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(plugin: "core/linter-rules/no-unused-dfns")
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Found definition for "Introduction", but nothing links to it. This is usually a spec bug!
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How to fix: Either remove the definition, or add a "lint-ignore" CSS class. If you meant to export it, add the export CSS.
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Occurred 1 times at:
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<dfn> element
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(plugin: "core/linter-rules/no-unused-dfns")
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Found definition for "TDD", but nothing links to it. This is usually a spec bug!
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How to fix: Either remove the definition, or add a "lint-ignore" CSS class. If you meant to export it, add the export CSS.
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Occurred 1 times at:
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<dfn> element
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]]
11:09:25 [kaz]
mm: need to look into the issues
11:09:31 [kaz]
kaz: they're basically just warnings. right?
11:09:35 [kaz]
mm: right
11:10:09 [kaz]
... the Discovery spec itself is not wrong, I think
11:10:46 [kaz]
kaz: caused by "<dfn>" tags
11:10:48 [kaz]
mm: right
11:12:46 [kaz]
kaz: technically, this issue can occur with not only Discovery but also Profile, Scripting, etc., too
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present+ Kunihiko_Toumura
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ml: we should have some specific notation when the specs have got stable
11:16:07 [kaz]
... btw, have created an issue on wot-architecture
11:16:24 [mlagally]
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https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/704
11:16:45 [kaz]
s/https/-> https/
11:17:24 [kaz]
s/704/704 wot-architecture PR 704 - WIP: restructuring lifecycle/
11:17:41 [kaz]
ml: will add that for the next Security call
11:18:39 [kaz]
kaz: btw, the terminology section of the Profile spec should also have a link back to the Architecture spec's terminology
11:18:43 [kaz]
ml: yes
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... will file an issue for that
11:19:11 [mlagally]
https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/165
11:19:53 [kaz]
ml: btw, is there a link from TD back to Architecture's terminology section?
11:19:57 [kaz]
kaz: yes, there is
11:22:16 [kaz]
ml: is there also ReSpec warning with TD too?
11:22:18 [kaz]
kaz: no
11:22:25 [kaz]
mm: let's look into the detail
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topic: Schedule
11:23:29 [kaz]
mm: there is a gap within specs about what Consumer should do
11:23:35 [kaz]
... comment from Ben too
11:23:56 [mlagally]
q+
11:24:01 [kaz]
... need a new PR for Consumer processing
11:24:53 [kaz]
-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/272 wot-discovery issue 272 - Consumer Process for Discovery
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ack ml
11:26:13 [kaz]
mm: should look at the Architecture spec as well to see the consistency once the processing is clarified
11:27:07 [kaz]
... Scripting describes algorithms
11:27:26 [kaz]
... some behavior description within TD too
11:28:44 [kaz]
ml: one remaining question is Consumer Thing within the Architecture
11:31:42 [kaz]
mm: note that I don't think Consumers have to have TDs
11:32:33 [kaz]
kaz: which TFs should be involved?
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... in addition to Discovery TF?
11:33:00 [mlagally]
q+
11:33:35 [kaz]
... starting with the Scripting TF?
11:33:37 [kaz]
mm: yes
11:34:13 [kaz]
... if possible, during the Scripting call next Monday
11:35:02 [kaz]
kaz: should talk with the Architecture TF, shouldn't we?
11:35:06 [kaz]
mm: yeah
11:35:18 [kaz]
... would look into the Architecture spec
11:35:29 [kaz]
q?
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ack m
11:35:57 [kaz]
ml: would like to clarify the confusion
11:36:40 [kaz]
i/would/kaz: Lagally, do you want to have discussion during the Architecture call?/
11:37:05 [kaz]
... we should clarify what "Consumer" is
11:37:07 [McCool]
q+
11:37:50 [kaz]
kaz: we should have discussion during the Architecture call then?
11:37:54 [kaz]
q?
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ack m
11:38:45 [kaz]
mm: should consider for the next round, I think
11:45:17 [kaz]
kaz: based on the discussion so far, the current definition "Consumer is an entity that can process WoT Thing Descriptions" might be a bit vague
11:45:27 [kaz]
mm: we should be careful
11:48:45 [kaz]
kaz: so we should have discussion on this point (Consumer) during the Architecture call as well
11:48:51 [kaz]
... as part of the terminology discussion
11:49:52 [kaz]
mm: need clear definition for Producer, Registerer, etc., too
11:50:54 [kaz]
kaz: we already have terminology as an agenda topic for Architecture. right?
11:50:56 [kaz]
ml: yes
11:51:25 [kaz]
q?
11:52:45 [kaz]
mm: having a separate term of "Software Thing" might make sense
11:53:01 [kaz]
... to identify Physical Thing and Virtual Thing
11:53:16 [kaz]
... maybe "Virtual" is not really correct here
11:53:32 [Ege]
q+
11:53:40 [mlagally]
https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/696
11:53:55 [kaz]
ml: we should have discussion during the Architecture call based on the PR above
11:54:01 [kaz]
ack e
11:54:29 [kaz]
ek: this is good topic to discuss
11:54:50 [kaz]
... e.g., a room including multiple devices within it
11:55:17 [kaz]
ml: collection of Things or composed Thing, etc.?
11:55:33 [kaz]
s/ml:/mm:/
11:55:54 [kaz]
... don't think the current definition for "Virtual Thing" itself is vague, though
11:56:25 [kaz]
... need to identify necessary terms
11:56:42 [kaz]
kaz: ok
11:56:53 [kaz]
... let's have more discussion during the Architecture call then
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[adjourned]
11:57:00 [kaz]
rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/08-wot-ed-minutes.html kaz
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