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15:03:31 <kaz> meeting: WoT Discovery
15:03:48 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Farshid_Tavakolizadeh, Jan_Romann, Kunihiko_Toumura
15:03:53 <kaz> regrets+ Christian
15:03:57 <kaz> chair: McCool
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15:05:53 <kaz> present+ Michael_McCool
15:06:27 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
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15:07:43 <kaz> present+ William_Holroyd, Cristiano_Aguzzi
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15:09:49 <cris> topic: previous minutes
15:10:07 <cris> mc: talked about feature freeze
15:10:10 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Discovery_WebConf#7_February_2022
15:10:22 <cris> topic: Guest
15:10:33 <kaz> s/Guest/New participant/
15:10:34 <cris> kaz: we have William as a new member
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15:10:44 <cperey> Sorry to be late
15:11:10 <kaz> present+ Christine_Perey
15:11:25 <cris> wlliam: I'm working on client and cloud software at Homobo
15:11:50 <cris> mc: thank you for checking with us, here we are working on discovery
15:12:00 <kaz> s/Homobo/Lenovo/
15:12:14 <cperey> Thank you, Kaz!
15:12:17 <cris> ... but on Wednesday we have a broader call with all the Task Forces
15:12:59 <kaz> q+
15:13:05 <cris> mc: we are on a clean up phase
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15:14:03 <cris> topic: minutes review
15:14:17 <cris> mc: we have just one section, it is not usual
15:14:32 <cris> ... probably we forgot to add subtopics
15:14:42 <kaz> i|we have|-> https://www.w3.org/2022/01/31-wot-discovery-minutes.html Jan-31|
15:14:49 <cris> <mccool pointing to possible sub sections names>
15:15:33 <cris> ... we discussed about ThingLink and use cases
15:15:57 <cris> ... remember that we had a resolution for freeze everything except the ThingLink topic
15:16:23 <cris> ... minutes oks, please fix the sub topics
15:16:43 <cris> topic: Pull Requests
15:16:54 <cris> mc: don't worry about 256 is informative
15:17:05 <cris> subtopic: PR 269
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15:17:55 <cris> mc: basically we have a discovery process composed by an introduction and an exploration phase
15:18:52 <cris> ... we identified a corner case that we want to cover analyzing the /.well-known introduction mechanism
15:19:08 <cris> ... in particular, it does not cover having multiple TDs on a single enpoint
15:19:19 <kaz> present+ Ege_Korkan
15:19:29 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
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15:19:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/07-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
15:19:34 <cris> ... for example an outlet strip which has different Things for each outlet
15:21:11 <cris> william: is this something about handling sub-things from a root component?
15:21:13 <kaz> i|basically we|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/269 PR 269 - Permit use of TD Links for Self-Description of Multiple Endpoints|
15:21:44 <cris> mc: I played a bit with it and I think it is better to model does sub components as sub things  not sub affordances.
15:21:55 <kaz> s/topic: previous minutes/
15:22:07 <kaz> s/mc: talked about feature freeze//
15:22:10 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:22:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/07-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
15:22:17 <cris> ... back to the use case we have a Directory API service but it is not really suited for this small static TDs
15:22:33 <kaz> i/don't worry about 256/subtopic: PR 256/
15:23:54 <kaz> i|don't worry about 256|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/256 Issue 256 - Small fixes on Creation|
15:24:01 <kaz> s/PR 256/Issue 256/
15:24:20 <kaz> q+ wholroyd
15:24:27 <kaz> ack k
15:24:29 <kaz> akc w
15:24:51 <kaz> s/akc w//
15:24:52 <kaz> ack w
15:25:35 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:25:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/07-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
15:25:39 <cris> mc: to get a better understanding of the use-case let me review comments
15:26:25 <cris> ... ben concerns was that he can only point to a directory was to use a ./well-known endpoint
15:26:41 <cris> ... adding a thing link might introduce complexity to the client
15:27:33 <cris> ... we might not put the Discovery API optional
15:28:41 <cris> ... also link should not contain affordances
15:29:25 <cris> ... a Thing collection only apply to thing models
15:29:49 <cris> ... it is flatten in thing models
15:30:29 <cris> farshid: Ben's concern is not about parse the list, but more about the fact the registration api is mandatory
15:30:37 <cris> ... then also understand the TDs
15:30:46 <cris> mc: I agree the read-only thing should be fixed
15:31:25 <cris> ... the issue about understanding the TD in the TM is normative a consumer can just cherry pick what it needs.
15:31:46 <cris> s/in the/if the/
15:32:00 <cris> farshid: yes, but still it needs to read the base path
15:32:06 <cris> mc: yes but reasonable
15:32:33 <cris> q+
15:32:50 <FarshidT> Multiple Responses from Peer-to-Peer Discovery: https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/249
15:32:50 <cris> farshid: I can work on the read-only point
15:33:17 <cris> ... please refer to the issue above
15:33:46 <cris> mc: the title is not perfect
15:33:53 <cris> ... we should fork to another one
15:34:31 <cris> ... returning an array from the .well-known/ should cover the issue
15:34:50 <cris> farshid: actually the spec from well known allow that
15:36:34 <cris> mc: the ThingLink was equivalent to the array
15:36:48 <cris> ... just because other introduction methods return always a TD
15:38:00 <cris> ... partial thing description directory might be also impractical implementation side
15:40:28 <cris> ... so we have the option of making the TDD API has everything optional
15:40:38 <cris> ... but only read operations mandatory
15:40:59 <wholroyd> TD is Thing Directory, correct?
15:41:09 <cris> ... still need two fetches
15:41:12 <FarshidT> TD: Thing Description
15:41:50 <FarshidT> TDD: Thing Description Directory !!
15:41:53 <cris> ... but a good nonetheless
15:42:13 <cris> :) we are full of similar acronyms
15:43:16 <cris> mc: I would move listing chaper outside
15:43:59 <cris> ... together with retrieval
15:44:09 <cris> farshid: retrival might be not so critical
15:44:35 <cris> ... it might add complexity to the implementation
15:44:51 <cris> mc: point taken
15:45:19 <cris> ... but listing and retrieval go together
15:45:57 <cris> ... is the TM requiring something?
15:46:17 <cris> farshid: we have a tm require
15:46:21 <cris> ... I can do the PR
15:47:35 <cris> q?
15:51:58 <cris> cris: I'm glad that we are introducing this
15:52:11 <cris> ... but we are not covering TM model compositions
15:52:43 <cris> mc: I think discovery should just strictly focus on flat lists of TDs
15:52:57 <cris> ... plus we are missing a formal process described in the spec
15:54:01 <cris> s/formal process/formal client discovery/
15:54:13 <cris> mc: I can work on it
15:54:30 <cris> ... but we cannot add normative statements
15:55:42 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:55:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/07-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
15:57:48 <McCool_> proposal: resolve issue https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/272 as well before normative feature freeze
15:58:10 <wholroyd> Reading this spec is like trying to learn English by reading a dictionary
15:58:21 <wholroyd> What is the best way to propose a series of questions to resolve some issues I have
15:58:56 <McCool_> resolution: resolve issue https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/272 as well before normative feature freeze
15:58:57 <wholroyd> ...where issues I have is things I don't understand yet
15:59:27 <McCool_> regarding wholroyd's point, I will also try to fill in some missing informative sections as part of resolving issue #272
15:59:56 <FarshidT> @wholroyd, would be best to search (https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues) in open/closed issues and file new issues for each remaining question.
16:00:31 <kaz> [adjourned]
16:00:39 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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16:01:53 <wholroyd> Is it fine to pile a bunch of questions into a single issue, or break them out?