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15:00:05 <trackbot> Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
15:00:05 <trackbot> Date: 04 February 2022
15:01:55 <Steven_> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Feb/0003
15:01:59 <Steven_> Chair: Steven
15:02:09 <Steven_> Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
15:02:20 <Steven_> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Feb/0003.html
15:02:27 <Steven_> Erik: Not yet.
15:02:39 <Steven_> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Feb/0003.html
15:03:14 <Steven_> Topic: ACTION-2309: Research xpath3 function definitions (Erik)
15:03:14 <Steven_> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Jan/0011
15:03:18 <Steven_> Erik: Not yet.
15:03:34 <Steven_> Topic: ACTION-2315: Report on event handling in web components (Erik)
15:03:34 <Steven_> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Jan/0020
15:03:38 <Steven_> Erik: Not yet.
15:03:50 <Steven_> Topic: ACTION-2312: Devise text for submission using @value (Steven)
15:03:50 <Steven_> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Feb/0000
15:05:56 <Steven_> Steven: In the mail it's in HTML with the changes in bold, you may prefer to check it there.
15:06:29 <Steven_> Erik: I don;t remember the use-case either for xforms-submit-serialize
15:06:34 <Steven_> s/;/'/
15:07:40 <Steven_> rik: FOr consistencey, it should take place.
15:07:53 <Steven_> ... we could deprecate that behaviour.
15:08:07 <Steven_> s/FOr/For/
15:08:19 <Steven_> Steven: I would support that.
15:08:46 <Steven_> Erik: It is also a side effect, where something weird happens.
15:09:33 <Steven_> Steven: I vaguely remember now that it was John Boyer who proposed this, for digital signing.
15:09:52 <Steven_> Erik: But it is odd, because it replaces it, it isn't a filter.
15:10:07 <Steven_> Steven: I agree.
15:10:53 <Steven_> Alain: We do support it.
15:11:03 <Steven_> Erik: We too, but I don;t think we ever used it.
15:11:06 <Steven_> s/;/
15:11:52 <Steven_> ACTION: Steve mark xforms-submit-serialize as deprecated
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15:11:58 <Steven_> s/Steve/Steven/
15:12:15 <Steven_> ACTION: Steven mark xforms-submit-serialize as deprecated
15:12:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2316 - Mark xforms-submit-serialize as deprecated [on Steven Pemberton - due 2022-02-11].
15:12:37 <Steven_> ACTION: Steven to include submit-serialize in submission using @value
15:12:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2317 - Include submit-serialize in submission using @value [on Steven Pemberton - due 2022-02-11].
15:13:31 <Steven_> AlaIn: @value overrides @ref, is that the right word. It still provides the context.
15:13:46 <Steven_> Steven: I'll try to reword to make it clearer
15:14:08 <Steven_> Topic: ACTION-2314: Compose text that matches the <control/> discussion for mirroring (Steven)
15:14:08 <Steven_> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Feb/0001
15:15:49 <Steven_> Steven: Actually shorter than the text it replaces.
15:15:58 <Steven_> ... the wonders of declarative definitions...
15:16:37 <Steven_> Erik: One thing. During initalization data goes from outside to inside.
15:16:44 <Steven_> ... but you want the opposite.
15:16:54 <Steven_> s/want/might want/
15:18:26 <Steven_> ... the embedded form supplies the data.
15:19:35 <Steven_> Steven: I see the use-case; how should we indicate that?
15:20:30 <Steven_> Erik: We look to see if there are children elements
15:20:41 <Steven_> Steven: You use a heuristic?
15:21:05 <Steven_> Erik: If outside data is empty, we use the data from inside.
15:21:46 <Steven_> ... we synchronise from inside to outside.
15:23:15 <Steven_> Steven: It sounds like how <instance @src= works
15:23:23 <Steven_> ... maybe we can match that behaviour.
15:24:29 <ebruchez_> https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#The_instance_Element
15:25:40 <Steven_> Alain: I would have expected a private instance in the control, not accessible to the embedding form.
15:27:17 <Steven_> ... it is a potential privacy issue.
15:28:05 <Steven_> Steven: Like reading someone's password?
15:28:14 <Steven_> Erik: Can't you do that anyway?
15:29:03 <Steven_> Steven: I do see the danger.
15:29:45 <Steven_> Erik: In a browser environment, it is accessible anyway.
15:31:45 <Steven_> Erik: You could make it explicit that it was OK to synchronise an instance.
15:32:19 <Steven_> Steven: Needs time to think about it.
15:32:48 <Steven_> Topic: ACTION-2313: Research the alternatives for 'dirty' data, and produce
15:32:48 <Steven_> code in all of them for comparison (Steven)
15:32:48 <Steven_> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Jan/0012
15:32:53 <Steven_> Steven: Not this week.
15:33:01 <Steven_> Topic: Timescale Plans
15:33:01 <Steven_> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Jan/att-0004/2022-plans
15:34:20 <Steven_> Steven: We should have picked one, so we could prepare.
15:34:29 <Steven_> ... Let's do Repeat with automatic controls: Declaratively specifying what the user may do to repeat-items (delete, edit, insert etc).
15:34:34 <Steven_> ... next week.
15:34:41 <Steven_> ... SO read up that for next week.
15:34:45 <Steven_> Topic: AOB
15:34:53 <Steven_> [None]
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