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19:01:01 <Matt_King> MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force
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19:06:30 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/February-1%2C-2022-Agenda
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19:08:26 <Jem> Topic: Issue triage
19:08:37 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+created%3A%3E2021-12-01+no%3Alabel
19:08:50 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2206
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19:12:33 <Jem> zakim, who is here?
19:12:33 <Zakim> Present: jemma, Matt_King, jongund, erika, carmacleod
19:12:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see siri, carmacleod, erika, jongunderson, Zakim, RRSAgent, Jem, Matt_King, MichaelC, zcorpan, github-bot, ZoeBijl, jamesn, trackbot
19:12:48 <Jem> present+ bryan
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19:13:19 <Jem> present+ siri
19:13:32 <carmacleod> carmacleod: mouse behavior is different from keyboard behavior - focus stays on button if using mouse, but goes to first item if using keyboard
19:14:22 <carmacleod> Matt_King: But in menu button example, focus does go to first item on mouse click
19:14:42 <carmacleod> jamesn: We had to do it that way in order for screen readers to work
19:17:54 <carmacleod> Matt_King: what do we need to do for this issue?
19:19:29 <carmacleod> Matt_King: We aren't changing the example
19:22:00 <carmacleod> Matt_King: In the menubar pattern, we say the first menuitem receives focus. We need to say it only receives focus if it was opened with keyboard.
19:22:40 <carmacleod> Matt_King: But not with menu button.
19:23:30 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2171
19:25:32 <carmacleod> jamesn: I think we changed this in 1.2. There are no buttons in the example any more.
19:25:53 <carmacleod> Jem: I'll take this
19:26:07 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2171
19:26:21 <carmacleod> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2170
19:26:37 <carmacleod> jamesn: I think this has been fixed as well.
19:27:11 <Jem> "When focussing in the first week of a month and pressing Page Up or Page Down to a month where that same day of the week does not lie in that month the inactive date from the previous month is selected instead (same for last week of the month)."
19:27:48 <carmacleod> jamesn: There's still something a bit weird about the behavior
19:28:03 <Jem> document says "Sets focus on the same day of the same week. If that day does not exist, then moves focus to the same day of the previous or next week."
19:30:15 <carmacleod> jamesn: This is no longer an issue in 1.2
19:30:57 <carmacleod> TOPIC: Open PRs
19:31:00 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2194
19:34:11 <carmacleod> Matt_King: We are just waiting for a few more reviews. Me, for editorial, Jess or Howard for Code/Test review.
19:35:32 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2179
19:37:29 <carmacleod> jongunderson: This is a one line PR, and I approved it.
19:37:38 <carmacleod> Matt_King: Ok, great, I can handle this
19:37:56 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2195
19:37:59 <carmacleod> TOPIC: Grid issue
19:38:06 <carmacleod> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2195
19:39:52 <carmacleod> Matt_King: Are we talking about the pattern or the examples, because we don't have any examples yet.
19:41:04 <carmacleod> jamesn: The pattern. We don't say how to select a cell.
19:41:54 <carmacleod> Matt_King: You can operate on selected items, or on focused items if there is no item currently selected.
19:43:17 <carmacleod> Matt_King: You could implement contiguous selection, but not in a grid where cells are editable.
19:43:53 <carmacleod> jamesn: Having space be used to toggle selection would be useful.
19:44:25 <carmacleod> Matt_King: I think we do need to edit the pattern.
19:44:42 <carmacleod> Jem: So, editorial?
19:45:34 <jamesn> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2195
19:46:28 <carmacleod> Matt_King: More than that, because it's modifying the guidance
19:47:11 <carmacleod> TOPIC: Listbox issue
19:47:26 <carmacleod> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2193
19:48:14 <carmacleod> Matt_King: I really don't know when we are going to be able to get to this. It's in our backlog.
19:49:08 <carmacleod> s/Matt_King: I really don't know when we are going to be able to get to this. It's in our backlog./
19:52:03 <Matt_King> multi-select listbox: https://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/listbox/listbox-rearrangeable.html
19:57:09 <carmacleod> (folks are trying out the example)
19:58:11 <carmacleod> Matt_King: There was some discussion in OpenUI about making space do the select.
19:59:15 <carmacleod> Matt_King:  I think a lot of people agree that space to select/deselect is easier to use in general.
19:59:50 <carmacleod> jamesn: How common is a multi-select listbox? ListView is more common.
20:00:13 <carmacleod> jamesn: Just trying to determine priority.
20:00:35 <carmacleod> Matt_King: Would like to have this discussion again with Sarah present.
20:01:41 <Jem> https://www.w3.org/groups/cg/open-ui
20:03:01 <carmacleod> jamesn: Since there's active work going on in this area, we can point to that.
20:03:10 <carmacleod> zakim, who is on the call?
20:03:10 <Zakim> Present: jemma, Matt_King, jongund, erika, carmacleod, bryan, jamesn, siri
20:03:40 <carmacleod> rrsagent, make minutes
20:03:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/01-aria-apg-minutes.html carmacleod