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14:48:55 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/5e4758ba-3e80-4e71-b333-5f2c4fd95abd/20220127T150000
14:48:55 <agendabot> clear agenda
14:48:55 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
14:48:55 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
14:48:56 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
14:48:58 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
14:49:00 <agendabot> agenda+ Edits in Glossary and Specdev
14:49:03 <agendabot> agenda+ String Meta explainer
14:49:05 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
14:49:23 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
14:49:26 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:49:26 <trackbot> Date: 27 January 2022
14:49:41 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:49:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/27-i18n-minutes.html addison
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14:59:35 <addison> present+ Addison, Atsushi
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15:02:07 <addison> present+ JcK, Richard
15:03:28 <addison> present+ Bert
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15:07:06 <atsushi> scribenick: atsushi
15:07:35 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:07:35 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:07:37 <addison> agenda?
15:08:22 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:08:22 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:08:30 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:09:03 <atsushi> addison: 1094, writing explainer and work on it
15:09:11 <atsushi> addison: 1098?
15:09:15 <addison> action-1098?
15:09:16 <atsushi> richard: reviewed this week
15:09:19 <trackbot> action-1098 -- Richard Ishida to Review lang-bidi-use-cases for clarity of use cases of specific override -- due 2021-11-25 -- OPEN
15:09:19 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1098
15:09:32 <atsushi> ... looks fine to me
15:09:54 <atsushi> addison: 1103, come back on this later as agenda
15:10:05 <atsushi> addison: 1104, will work
15:10:27 <atsushi> addison: 1109, no much happened
15:10:56 <addison> action-1110?
15:10:57 <trackbot> action-1110 -- Addison Phillips to Add "... and strings" to glossary definition of localizable content -- due 2022-01-27 -- OPEN
15:10:57 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1110
15:11:01 <addison> close action-1110
15:11:01 <trackbot> Closed action-1110.
15:11:02 <atsushi> addison: 1110, PR done
15:11:07 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:11:07 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:11:21 <addison> close action-1098
15:11:21 <trackbot> Closed action-1098.
15:11:44 <atsushi> richard: PLH is asking of use of tracker
15:12:01 <atsushi> ... basically, asking who still using tracker, and what do you use
15:12:12 <atsushi> ... few responses, only our group seems to use it
15:12:28 <atsushi> ... it's really useful, because can operate it from irc
15:12:47 <atsushi> ... that might be nice and easy to use
15:13:06 <atsushi> addison: and email will be issued also
15:13:15 <atsushi> ... using email like subject lines
15:13:35 <atsushi> ... also using to pick a link of github where to comment on
15:15:20 <atsushi> bert: dom and I are talking about irc bot to track things with github
15:15:44 <atsushi> ... a bot can find a title from github on some message to irc
15:15:50 <atsushi> ... to pull information about github issues
15:16:14 <atsushi> richard: useful on irc is two, open/close, and interaction in minutes
15:16:47 <atsushi> ... one possibility, can send a message to irc on issue closed
15:17:04 <atsushi> addison: if bot can close issue on command, that could help
15:17:32 <atsushi> bert: like trackbot, bot can send a comment to github issue, so something like that could be possible
15:18:01 <atsushi> addison: can continue something like tracker vs. something
15:18:19 <atsushi> ... loosing features is pain, it was handy for long years
15:18:46 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:18:46 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:18:57 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
15:19:37 <atsushi> addison: css conditional level 4
15:20:29 <atsushi> atsushi: no issue found
15:21:11 <atsushi> addison: move to completed. and ask to reply to the issue
15:21:14 <atsushi> atsushi: sure
15:21:33 <atsushi> addison: NAUR?
15:21:36 <atsushi> bert: not yet
15:21:43 <addison> agenda?
15:21:45 <atsushi> addison: IMSC-HRM, need some more time
15:22:11 <atsushi> https://www.w3.org/TR/2022/WD-RangeRequest-20220125/
15:24:43 <atsushi> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-japanese/2022JanMar/0044.html
15:24:53 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:24:53 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Edits in Glossary and Specdev -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:25:08 <atsushi> atsushi: FPWD of IFT rangerequest out, chatting with Japanese font vendors
15:25:17 <addison> action: addison: add rangerequest to review radar
15:25:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1111 - Add rangerequest to review radar [on Addison Phillips - due 2022-02-03].
15:25:46 <atsushi> s/agendum 5 -- Edits in Glossary and Specdev -- taken up [from agendabot]//
15:25:59 <atsushi> topic: Edits in Glossary and Specdev
15:26:14 <atsushi> addison: kind of infoshare, updating glossary and specdev
15:26:22 <atsushi> ... couple of corrections
15:26:26 <addison> https://www.w3.org/TR/i18n-glossary/
15:26:33 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-glossary/pull/10
15:26:40 <atsushi> richard: read, and have couple of comments
15:27:25 <atsushi> addison: go over bunch of definitions, we have added a definition of `code units`
15:27:26 <addison> https://www.w3.org/TR/i18n-glossary/#def_code_unit
15:27:36 <atsushi> ... where we had conversations before
15:27:57 <atsushi> ... rewritted `code unit` as a stand alone text
15:28:09 <atsushi> richard: I did have a comment on this also
15:28:41 <atsushi> ... better than before, and I should explain `code unit` is better to be by byte, word is quite Unicode colleagues specific
15:29:21 <atsushi> ... grad to have one text for Javascript 16bit
15:29:55 <atsushi> richard: this is kind of old style of code unit, it is not limited to there when one use supplimental etc.
15:30:06 <atsushi> addison: but still within UTF-16
15:30:33 <atsushi> richard: need to talk about `code unit` of UTF-16, and need to dig into code units for these
15:31:37 <atsushi> addison: infra defines bunch of things on code points, DOM provably use
15:31:54 <atsushi> richard: just wondering how we can say way out from folks
15:32:28 <atsushi> addison: technical jargon from Unicode, also there are some in specdev
15:32:52 <atsushi> [discussion on definition, jargon, wording]
15:33:39 <atsushi> addison: if people doesn't familiar with multi-byte fundamental of Unicode, byte is not appropriate
15:34:47 <addison> https://www.w3.org/TR/i18n-glossary/#def_code_unit
15:35:03 <atsushi> addison: universal character set from Unicode could be additional interesting item
15:35:51 <atsushi> jck: universal character set teminology is still used there, I believe
15:36:32 <addison> https://w3c.github.io/bp-i18n-specdev/
15:37:04 <atsushi> richard: for additional change, added a language on mojibake
15:37:13 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-glossary/pull/10/files
15:37:58 <atsushi> ... I've put lang in q, some issue found. and changed to insert span
15:38:40 <atsushi> ... for this q element not represent as lang=ja, different style
15:39:07 <atsushi> addison: I can switch q into quote marks
15:40:44 <atsushi> addison: for specdev, added some and also glossary
15:40:51 <addison> https://w3c.github.io/bp-i18n-specdev/
15:41:47 <atsushi> addison: some respec errors
15:42:43 <addison> https://respec.org/xref/?term=natural+language&types=_CONCEPT_
15:43:25 <atsushi> richard: could be cross link converted from termref
15:44:28 <addison> agenda?
15:45:38 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/respec/wiki/Auto-linking-external-references
15:46:02 <addison> action: addison: follow up on glossary linking from specdev so we can publish to TR
15:46:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1112 - Follow up on glossary linking from specdev so we can publish to tr [on Addison Phillips - due 2022-02-03].
15:46:31 <atsushi> example of data-cite ->           (<dfn>furigana</dfn>, see also <a data-cite="JLREQ#term.furigana">JLReq terminology</a>).
15:46:37 <atsushi> https://github.com/w3c/ruby-t2s-req/blob/0f1caf26b7a56f2016a54f81daa2728a27c776e2/index.html#L115
15:46:46 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
15:46:46 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- String Meta explainer -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:47:04 <atsushi> s|example of data-cite ->           (<dfn>furigana</dfn>, see also <a data-cite="JLREQ#term.furigana">JLReq terminology</a>).||
15:47:11 <atsushi> s|https://github.com/w3c/ruby-t2s-req/blob/0f1caf26b7a56f2016a54f81daa2728a27c776e2/index.html#L115||
15:47:22 <addison> https://github.com/aphillips/i18n-discuss/blob/gh-pages/explainers/string-meta-explainer.md
15:47:43 <atsushi> i|action: addison: follow up|example of data-cite -> https://github.com/w3c/ruby-t2s-req/blob/0f1caf26b7a56f2016a54f81daa2728a27c776e2/index.html#L115
15:47:53 <atsushi> addison: added some examples to explainer
15:48:08 <atsushi> s/added/need to add/
15:48:27 <atsushi> ... will provide opportunity to people for comment and suggestion
15:49:35 <atsushi> richard: where is a discussion with INFRA?
15:49:41 <atsushi> addison: worth adding
15:52:32 <atsushi> addison: will update per richard's comments, and also drop some more
15:53:15 <atsushi> richard: just wondering on worth putting, how about call as explainer?
15:54:42 <atsushi> addison: open to option.
15:59:15 <atsushi> richard: there is a local.css at the top level, which i18n notes could use
16:01:03 <atsushi> https://github.com/aphillips/i18n-discuss/blob/gh-pages/notes/json-bidi.html
16:04:55 <addison> https://github.blog/changelog/2021-10-31-warning-about-bidirectional-unicode-text/
16:05:49 <addison> Topic: AOB?
16:07:21 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:07:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/27-i18n-minutes.html r12a
16:08:21 <r12a> s/asking who still using tracker, and what do you use/asking who still using tracker, and what do you use if not/
16:09:08 <r12a> s/and email will be issued also/and you can track emails/
16:09:42 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:09:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/27-i18n-minutes.html r12a
16:11:59 <r12a> s/wondering how we can say way out from folks/wondering how we can say that it's on its way out for general users of javascript/
16:12:59 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:12:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/27-i18n-minutes.html r12a
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