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14:04:16 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Wilco
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14:08:44 <Wilco> Francis: What's the status from Janina?
14:09:25 <Wilco> Wilco: Haven't had a response from the pronunciation chairs.
14:09:58 <Wilco> Francis: We haven't managed to get any solid research. It's been people's opinions. If they have something that would be useful.
14:10:56 <Wilco> Jeanne: If we're working on blocks, pronunciation is not to the point.
14:12:26 <Wilco> Wilco: I put some comments at the top of the document
14:14:37 <Wilco> ... If a screen reader doesn't have the language, it doesn't need to pronounce it.
14:17:46 <Wilco> Jeanne: Latin is a special case, as it's pronunciation is comes from another language.
14:23:13 <Wilco> Wilco: Latin seems like an interesting edge case, as preferred pronunciation depends on the reader
14:24:11 <Wilco> ... Isn't the point that there's no defined pronunciation?
14:24:37 <Wilco> Daniel: There may not be just one pronunciation.
14:25:21 <Wilco> Francis: What happens then with something like Klingon?
14:25:38 <Wilco> Wilco: There is usually a pronunciation for fictional languages.
14:33:12 <Wilco> Jeanne: Is there a problem in screen readers pronouncing it in the default language?
14:33:22 <Wilco> Wilco: Do all screen readers have a default language?
14:38:44 <Wilco> Wilco: Would there be a problem if I had a latin page with lang="ja"
14:39:03 <Wilco> Jeanne: If they spoke Japanese that would make sense, but if they learned Latin from an English teacher it would be a problem
14:39:35 <jeanne> https://www.gutenberg.org/files/218/218-h/218-h.htm#link2H_4_0001
14:41:42 <Wilco> Francis: I agree to using the default pronunciation.
14:42:07 <Wilco> Daniel: For blocks there may not be a need, but for the page there should be a lang code.
14:48:08 <Wilco> Wilco: So preferred pronunciation is required for Latin, forcing it to use English is an issue.
14:52:01 <Wilco> Wilco: Since there is (from what I've heard) no Czech speech in IOS, does that mean you can't use Czech text in IOS?
14:52:29 <Wilco> Francis: Seems like it shouldn't.
14:53:23 <Wilco> Francis: What about if it comes from a niche feature in one particular screen reader?
14:59:26 <Wilco> Wilco: What about lang="English". It is not a standardised way to indicate language, but in theory assistive technologies could support it.
15:01:31 <Wilco> zakim, end meeting
15:01:31 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Wilco, dmontalvo
15:01:32 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:01:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/25-silver-reliability-minutes.html Zakim
15:01:36 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Wilco; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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15:34:34 <Wilco> RRSAgent, bye
15:34:34 <RRSAgent> I see no action items