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13:45:24 <ivan> Meeting: Audiobooks WG Telco
13:45:32 <ivan> chair: wendy, tzviya
13:46:05 <ivan> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/1e1799a6-f588-4e61-badf-2f595f0cb2ec
13:46:15 <ivan> regrets: tzviya
13:46:42 <ivan> date: 2022-01-19
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14:03:50 <Lars> Wazzup people? :)
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14:07:13 <GeorgeK> scribe: Georgek
14:08:39 <GeorgeK> wendy: Two goals, maintenance ten issues and feature requests
14:09:24 <GeorgeK> After a year, it is worth talking about the issues.
14:09:29 <ivan> q+
14:09:44 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/audiobooks/issues/110
14:09:45 <GeorgeK> issue 110
14:11:11 <GeorgeK> Ivan: we can update the spec, because these changes are not significant. Feature requests we need to determine how significant they are and this could mean a revision of the specification.
14:11:35 <GeorgeK> It is important to remember this process.
14:11:55 <GeorgeK> Issue 110: duration
14:13:50 <GeorgeK> Andreas: duration   is unclear because of fragments and total resource requirement.
14:13:59 <ivan> q+
14:15:27 <GeorgeK> Ivan: We did not realize that the media URL can giv a duration. What the issue suggests is wrong. and we need to clarify in the spec.
14:17:18 <wendyreid> ack ivan
14:17:27 <GeorgeK> Lars:Unclear what the fragment identifiefier is intended to do and will make the spec fragile.
14:18:45 <GeorgeK> Wendy: If you need to use frag ids use it in the navigation and not in the total duration.
14:19:28 <GeorgeK> Ivan: this is a restriction on the audio book spec.
14:20:10 <GeorgeK> If we make a change, we need to test to make it part of the rec. It should be labeled as errata.
14:22:40 <wendyreid> Proposed: Change Reading Order section to clarify that the url: MUST NOT contain fragment identifiers, and the duration should be of the entirety of the audio file, in the audiobooks document
14:22:52 <ivan> +1
14:22:55 <laurent_> +1
14:22:56 <wendyreid> +1
14:23:00 <GeorgeK> +1
14:23:14 <wendyreid> RESOLVED: Change Reading Order section to clarify that the url: MUST NOT contain fragment identifiers, and the duration should be of the entirety of the audio file, in the audiobooks document
14:23:52 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/audiobooks/issues/108
14:24:00 <GeorgeK> Wendy Resolved: will make the change in the editors version
14:24:05 <GeorgeK> Issue 108:
14:25:32 <GeorgeK> Lars: We want the sum of the audio filesto be equal to the entire audio book.
14:26:10 <GeorgeK> this is needed to support streaming. We don't want to download everything to get this information.
14:29:22 <GeorgeK> You need to easily determine where you want to go in the entire book.
14:30:12 <laurent_> A reading system must be able to jump to a specific location in a specific track, when the user opens an audiobook and wants to start from the position he has left during a previous section. For that the duration of an item in the reading order must be mandatory.
14:30:42 <laurent_> s/section/session
14:31:53 <wendyreid> Proposed: In the audiobooks document, elevate the requirement for reading order item level duration to a MUST
14:31:58 <wendyreid> +1
14:31:59 <ivan> +1
14:32:04 <GeorgeK> +1
14:32:06 <laurent_> +1
14:32:10 <wendyreid> RESOLVED: In the audiobooks document, elevate the requirement for reading order item level duration to a MUST
14:32:40 <GeorgeK> Wendy: Resolved:Wendy will make change in editorial spec.
14:33:38 <Lars> @bigbluehat I plan to bring up some web annotations a little later, if there is time, just so you know ;)
14:33:54 <GeorgeK> Ivan: The two enhancements are fairly significant and we should check with Tzviya and Matt if we should republish the spec. This requires testing.
14:34:25 <GeorgeK> We need to make it highly visable to implementers.
14:35:16 <GeorgeK> Wendy: This came from implementars and we need to find a way to get it in front of implementars.
14:36:08 <GeorgeK> Wendy: This covers what I really wanted to address.
14:37:30 <GeorgeK> Ivan: the differences in the editors spec have to be tracked. It is not the normal editing, and more needs to be done to track changes.
14:38:34 <ivan> Topic: future request issues
14:39:07 <GeorgeK> Wendy: if any of the other issue need to be added, it could trigger a charter revision.
14:39:22 <GeorgeK> See list of issues from the agenda.
14:39:59 <ivan> q+
14:40:09 <GeorgeK> These are all open issues and we don't know if they are important and needed.
14:40:59 <GeorgeK> Lars: Now that we have resolved the above two issues, it resolves the other requests.
14:42:02 <GeorgeK> Now that we have a range we can trust, it makes it easy to do deep linking.
14:42:38 <GeorgeK> We can also do annotations that are anchored to an image or a range.
14:43:05 <wendyreid> ack ivan
14:43:12 <GeorgeK> We should add package level support for fragments.
14:44:49 <GeorgeK> Ivan: two items of requiring TOC should be considered as a must.
14:46:45 <GeorgeK> We need to clarify if we are identifying fragments in the media type or in the zip container.
14:48:33 <GeorgeK> A discussion about CFI and how we specify the location. We need to go into this in more detail.
14:48:41 <GeorgeK> We need to check into this.
14:49:20 <GeorgeK> EPUB CFI is noted in Web Annotations spec.
14:50:09 <GeorgeK> Wendy: we have open issues that needs to be discussed. We need more implementers input and do more research.
14:51:03 <GeorgeK> Ivan We will need to ask about the possible need to recharter. We should check with Tzviya.
14:51:57 <GeorgeK> We put forward a PR for republishing and see what feedback we get.
14:52:27 <GeorgeK> I am confident we can do it as a rec update, but not sure.
14:52:58 <GeorgeK> Ivan, Wendy, and Tzviya will get together.
14:53:50 <GeorgeK> Wendy will make edits and put out a PR.
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