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11:58:54 <xfq> Meeting: MiniApps CG Teleconference
11:58:59 <xfq> present+
11:59:15 <xfq> present+ qing, tengyuan
11:59:33 <xfq> present+ zhoubingqing
12:03:19 <xfq> present+ jeff, martin
12:03:28 <xfq> present+ zitao
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12:04:29 <martin> present+ Martin
12:04:50 <xfq> xfq: @@
12:05:38 <xfq> present+ changhao_liang
12:06:14 <martin> s/xfq: @@/xfq: No chairs joined so I'll chair the session in the meanwhile. An Qing, any update on IoT?
12:06:43 <xfq> qing: https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-iot/pull/4
12:07:00 <xfq> [qing goes through the PR]
12:08:32 <xfq> martin: these changes are more or less trivial
12:09:02 <xfq> [martin describes the use cases]
12:09:51 <xfq> qing: we can discuss whether we should standardize more APIs
12:10:48 <martin> xfq: If no objections, we can merge it after the call.
12:10:49 <xfq> topic: epub
12:11:08 <xfq> jeff: i work in the publishing CG as co-chair
12:11:30 <xfq> ... last year i did some experiments to expand the epub scope
12:11:35 <xfq> ... not just for ebooks
12:11:51 <xfq> ... i did some experiemnts and think epub can do more stuff
12:12:13 <xfq> [jeff shows his screen]
12:12:34 <xfq> https://wysebee.com/
12:12:54 <xfq> jeff: i put some samples here
12:13:12 <xfq> ... you can play around with it
12:13:31 <xfq> present+ yanyumeng
12:13:39 <xfq> present+ xiaoqian
12:14:25 <xfq> https://wysebee.com/sandbox
12:14:32 <xfq> jeff: this is a sandbox
12:15:08 <xfq> ... you can package a website
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12:16:13 <xfq> jeff: once you converted it you can try this sandbox
12:17:35 <xfq> ... it's not like kindle or other RS
12:18:23 <xfq> ... the miniapp packaging spec is very similar to epub
12:18:27 <xfq> ... i was wondering if it's possible for us to work together
12:19:23 <xfq> present+ dan
12:20:09 <xfq> jeff: interested in how to package a miniapp in our system
12:20:23 <xfq> ... interested in joining our cg meetings more frequently
12:20:30 <martin> q+
12:21:04 <xfq> ack next
12:21:08 <xfq> martin: thank you
12:21:12 <xfq> ... it's fantastic
12:21:15 <xfq> ... i agree with you
12:21:24 <xfq> ... i think we can explore collaboration
12:21:46 <xfq> ... the miniapp manifest is more similar with web app manifest
12:22:02 <xfq> ... differences in storing digital signatures
12:23:44 <xfq> ... @@
12:23:57 <xfq> jeff: the manifest i'm using is json
12:24:05 <xfq> ... i'm converting it from and to xml
12:24:57 <xfq> ... @@ a11y
12:25:12 <xfq> martin: i'll try to follow your work as well
12:25:16 <xfq> ...  thank you
12:26:01 <xfq> zitao: i worked with martin on packaging
12:26:25 <xfq> ... on tpac breakout session we showed a tool to do conversion of manifest
12:26:36 <xfq> ... this year we're interersed in packaing conversion
12:26:58 <xfq> ... if you're interesed you can join our work
12:27:28 <xfq> jeff: yes
12:27:32 <xfq> ... interested to join
12:28:17 <xfq> ... it's a pwa
12:28:24 <xfq> ... you can try it on you mobile phone
12:28:35 <xfq> ... feel free to play around it
12:28:49 <xfq> ... for miniapps i think the entry point is app.json
12:29:04 <xfq> ... i wonder how to boost a miniapp in our platform
12:29:30 <xfq> ... how can i define entry point of a miniapp in a generic way
12:29:52 <xfq> martin: in the miniapp manifest we ahve a property like WAM
12:29:58 <xfq> ... called 'pages'
12:31:42 <martin> xfq: Any other comment from the group?
12:32:10 <martin> ... Zhoudan joined. We have discussed the two first items in the agenda.
12:32:29 <martin> ... Do yo want to continue chairing?
12:33:49 <xfq> topic: gap between MiniApp and web api
12:34:04 <xfq> [martin shares his screen]
12:34:27 <xfq> martin: we have discussed components and support of the DOM
12:34:37 <xfq> ... today i want to talk about APIs
12:34:59 <xfq> [martin shows an API list]
12:36:12 <xfq> martin: some APIs have equivalent APIs in w3c standards
12:38:12 <xfq> ... some APIs have equivalent proposed APIs
12:38:35 <xfq> ... only a few aaditions
12:38:37 <xfq> ... router
12:38:57 <xfq> ... sms
12:39:14 <xfq> ... wifi (to connect to specific networks)
12:39:35 <xfq> ... it depends on the OS, maybe not required
12:40:19 <xfq> ... new proposals for IoT interfaces
12:40:30 <xfq> ... need to look at WoT work in case there's overlapping
12:40:44 <xfq> ... these APIs are well-defined
12:41:07 <xfq> s/these APIs/the Web APIs
12:41:32 <xfq> ... we could define a miniamum set of recommended set of APIs
12:42:50 <xfq> ... i'll share with you this document
12:43:13 <xfq> ... could miniapps rely on the standard DOM and may have access to the standard APIs?
12:44:10 <xfq> ... any comments?
12:45:05 <xfq> jeff: i'm very interested
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12:45:22 <xfq> ... if we can adopt whatwevet the browsers are aleready adopting
12:45:37 <xfq> ... that would be great becase everything is standard
12:45:57 <xfq> ... there are other things in miniapps like IoT
12:46:13 <xfq> ... for the router
12:46:29 <xfq> ... about web apps the router are mostly for the server
12:46:39 <xfq> ... but the libs like react also have routers
12:47:30 <QingAn> q?
12:47:35 <xfq> martin: will open an issue
12:48:38 <martin> xfq: AOB
12:48:56 <martin> .. Next meeting. What about Feb 17th?
12:49:09 <martin> +1 to me
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12:50:07 <QingAn> +1
12:50:59 <martin> xfq: So, confirmed next meeting 17th Feb
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