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15:04:08 <trackbot> Meeting: Spoken Pronunciation Task Force Teleconference
15:04:08 <trackbot> Date: 12 January 2022
15:04:10 <IrfanA> Agenda+ Github Issues
15:04:21 <IrfanA> Agenda+ Other Business
15:05:00 <IrfanA> Chair: Paul Grenier
15:05:01 <PaulG> present+
15:05:09 <Roy> present+
15:05:12 <Sam> present+
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15:05:42 <Dee> Present+
15:05:51 <IrfanA> scribe: IrfanA
15:05:54 <IrfanA> zakim, next item
15:05:54 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from IrfanA]
15:06:11 <IrfanA> janina: we have new APA chair
15:06:16 <IrfanA> zakim, close this item
15:06:16 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
15:06:17 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:06:17 <Zakim> 2. Action Items [from IrfanA]
15:06:20 <IrfanA> zakim, next item
15:06:20 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from IrfanA]
15:06:22 <SteveNoble_> present+
15:07:25 <IrfanA> PaulG: summary from last week- discussion from ARIA working group and response. They have own proposal and we had to update our gap-analysis document based upon that. Markku have updated our gap-analysis documents.
15:07:56 <IrfanA> https://w3c.github.io/pronunciation/gap-analysis_and_use-case/#gap-analysis
15:08:05 <janina> https://www.canofworms.com/triple-homonyms.html
15:08:13 <IrfanA> http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/mhakkinen/pronounce/main/pro-gap-update.html
15:08:49 <IrfanA> janina: just to challenge ARIA, I found this page of triple-homonyms
15:09:29 <IrfanA> janina: I will keep looking for more examples
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15:10:45 <IrfanA> PaulG: We discussed the recent alternative, dictionary-based, proposal by some of the UA vendors [1] and that this doesn't address some of the key areas highlighted in the gap analysis [2]. We talked about ways that the TF hopes to productively continue this discussion including
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15:12:11 <IrfanA> ack j
15:13:52 <IrfanA> janina: one of the thing that we are exposing here that aria is focus too much on the user-agent but meanwhile they are complicating the process. we already talked about multiple 'lang' which doesn't help very much
15:15:42 <IrfanA> janina: they are looking for easy win to get this rolling which is a sensible approach but then what? It could be far more complicated process because extensibility is important for long journey.
15:16:15 <IrfanA> PaulG: our roadmap is where ARIA need to focus and understand why are we doing this.
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15:16:41 <IrfanA> janina: may be we can ask them to go ahead with implementing part of it and not all of once.
15:17:42 <IrfanA> ack mhakkinen
15:20:02 <IrfanA> mhakkinen: I have updated gap-analysis document. I want clear whether it can also play a substitution role.
15:20:16 <IrfanA> PaulG: it can be little hacky though
15:20:31 <IrfanA> mhakkinen: I think sub only goes to synthesizer
15:21:03 <IrfanA> PaulG: but it is an improvement with the section 3.
15:21:39 <IrfanA> mhakkinen: in the proposed document, I have added new column called aria-pronounce.
15:23:15 <IrfanA> mhakkinen: I did not want to edit the main 'gap-analysis' document so I kept it separate stand alone document. If we bring it to main document then we have to provide the old document link.
15:23:32 <IrfanA> mhakkinen: we have some examples in this document
15:24:24 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation
15:24:38 <PaulG> https://w3c.github.io/pronunciation/gap-analysis/#gap-analysis
15:24:38 <IrfanA> mhakkinen:  I excerpted the table from the published Pronunciation Gap Analysis and Use Cases draft and created a standalone document
15:25:08 <IrfanA> zakim, next item
15:25:08 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Github Issues -- taken up [from IrfanA]
15:26:04 <IrfanA> PaulG: we have one new issue from Roman. https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues/103
15:26:05 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues/103
15:27:07 <IrfanA> s/Roman/michael-roe
15:28:46 <IrfanA> PaulG: The current spec isn't clear if data-ssml-say-as-format="cardinal" can be applied to Roman numerals, or if we need a new format to handle Roman numerals.
15:29:41 <IrfanA> PaulG: I think sub, say-as, pronounce is the way to address this. we still owe response to some tickets.
15:29:49 <janina> Trying again: https://people.sc.fsu.edu/~jburkardt/fun/wordplay/multinyms.html
15:31:58 <IrfanA> Dee: the term is heteronym to identify the right use cases
15:33:20 <IrfanA> SteveNoble_: some times homograph is also used for the same definition
15:36:08 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues/100
15:37:14 <IrfanA> zakim, next item
15:37:14 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Other Business -- taken up [from IrfanA]
15:37:59 <IrfanA> mhakkinen: ATIA conference is still on and at this point I am going in person with Peter Ramsdel from textHelp.
15:38:35 <IrfanA> mhakkinen: as soon as we have some more details, will share this with the group. we have done this presentation number of times.
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