IRC log of rdf-star on 2021-12-17

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16:01:36 [Zakim]
RRSAgent, make logs Public
16:01:37 [Zakim]
please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), pchampin
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meeting: RDF-star
16:01:44 [rivettp]
present+
16:01:49 [gatemezing]
Hello all
16:01:55 [pchampin]
agenda: ttps://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-star/2021Dec/0079.html
16:01:55 [agendabot]
pchampin, sorry, could not get ttps://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-star/2021Dec/0079.html (code 501).
16:01:58 [pchampin]
agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-star/2021Dec/0079.html
16:01:58 [agendabot]
clear agenda
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agenda+ Announcements and newcomers
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agenda+ Open actions
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agenda+ Publishing a final report
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agenda+ WG chartering
16:02:00 [agendabot]
agenda+ Open-ended discussions
16:02:01 [gatemezing]
present+
16:02:02 [pchampin]
present+
16:02:05 [olaf]
I will be running some minutes late
16:02:08 [pchampin]
chair: pchampin
16:02:33 [pchampin]
Previous meeting: https://w3c.github.io/rdf-star/Minutes/2021-12-03.html
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16:03:21 [fabio_vitali]
present+
16:03:51 [gkellogg]
present+
16:04:13 [AndyS]
present+
16:04:49 [pchampin]
zakim, pick a scribe
16:04:49 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose fabio_vitali
16:05:01 [fabio_vitali]
No you do not want me
16:05:02 [fabio_vitali]
:-)
16:05:39 [AndyS]
I can scribe
16:05:49 [AndyS]
scribe: AndyS
16:06:52 [pchampin]
zakim, open next agendum
16:06:52 [Zakim]
agendum 1 -- Announcements and newcomers -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:08:23 [AndyS]
pchampin: out of date implementations removed - rust one updated
16:11:01 [AndyS]
gkellogg: changes to test URIs.
16:12:22 [pchampin]
https://twitter.com/MarcelOttoDE/status/1470355460117123074
16:12:27 [pchampin]
q?
16:12:50 [pchampin]
zakim, next agendum
16:12:50 [Zakim]
agendum 2 -- Open actions -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:12:57 [pchampin]
https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Aaction
16:13:19 [pchampin]
-> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star/issues/222 update RDF* paper on arXiv
16:14:08 [AndyS]
pchampin: Olaf updated the RDF* paper.
16:14:12 [AndyS]
... action done
16:14:22 [pchampin]
q?
16:14:38 [pchampin]
zakim, next agendum
16:14:38 [Zakim]
agendum 3 -- Publishing a final report -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:15:48 [AndyS]
pchampin: Has a more formal standing as "final"
16:16:03 [AndyS]
... license is slightly different.
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... authors will be contacted to agree
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... report copied to W3C website
16:16:44 [AndyS]
... needs CG RDF-DEV action (DanBri)
16:17:16 [Doerthe]
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16:17:28 [pchampin]
-> https://www.w3.org/community/about/process/final/ Final specification agreement
16:17:33 [Doerthe]
present+
16:17:46 [olaf]
present+
16:18:00 [AndyS]
... 2 decisions : publish as is ; publish as final report
16:18:03 [pchampin]
q?
16:18:42 [olaf]
Apologies for being late!
16:19:46 [pchampin]
PROPOSED: publish a new version of the CG report, as a 'final report'
16:19:48 [pchampin]
+1
16:19:54 [gkellogg]
+1
16:19:55 [fabio_vitali]
+1
16:19:56 [AndyS]
+1
16:20:01 [TallTed]
+1
16:20:02 [gatemezing]
+1
16:20:04 [Doerthe]
+1
16:20:18 [olaf]
+1 (and another +1 from Ora who sends his regrets for today)
16:20:24 [rivettp]
+1
16:20:25 [AndyS]
q+
16:20:32 [pchampin]
RESOLVED: publish a new version of the CG report, as a 'final report'
16:20:51 [olaf]
Yay!
16:20:58 [fabio_vitali]
congratulations!
16:21:38 [AndyS]
tallted: we can still respond with issues and PRs
16:21:48 [AndyS]
pchampin: yes - not immutable
16:21:54 [pchampin]
q?
16:21:59 [pchampin]
ack AndyS
16:22:01 [pchampin]
scribe+
16:22:40 [pchampin]
AndyS: this does apply also to the tests?
16:22:51 [pchampin]
gkellogg: no, the tests are independant
16:23:50 [fabio_vitali]
I did very little
16:24:03 [rivettp]
was I listed?
16:24:24 [fabio_vitali]
I will be honored
16:24:34 [rivettp]
yes, please list me
16:25:20 [fabio_vitali]
so yes, please list me
16:25:36 [fabio_vitali]
Fabio Vitali
16:25:47 [pchampin]
q?
16:25:48 [fabio_vitali]
Department of Computer Science, University of Bologna
16:26:00 [pchampin]
zakim, next agendum
16:26:00 [Zakim]
agendum 4 -- WG chartering -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:26:20 [pchampin]
https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/
16:26:35 [pchampin]
https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/issues
16:27:00 [pchampin]
-> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/issues/2 RDF/XML
16:27:15 [AndyS]
pchampin: RDF/XML - mark as optional work
16:27:55 [AndyS]
... a few people have expressed interest in doing the work.
16:28:32 [gatemezing]
q+
16:28:40 [fabio_vitali]
q+
16:28:40 [pchampin]
ack gatemezing
16:29:33 [AndyS]
gatemezing: is there a way to phrase the feedback/interest in RDF/XML.
16:30:13 [AndyS]
pchampin: will have "update that doc if WG has time/volunteers to do the work"
16:30:22 [pchampin]
ack fabio_vitali
16:31:03 [AndyS]
fabio_vitali: wondering about RDF-star and named graphs
16:31:38 [pchampin]
q?
16:32:09 [AndyS]
pchampin: spec allows quoted triples in named graphs
16:32:27 [AndyS]
... abstract syntax covers graphs and datasets
16:33:23 [AndyS]
q+
16:33:35 [pchampin]
ack AndyS
16:34:14 [pchampin]
AndyS: star-bit aside, named graphs in RDF are just containers
16:34:41 [pchampin]
... if you want to add a vocabulary, you can
16:34:57 [pchampin]
... but that adds assumptions that are not shared by everyone using named graphs
16:35:45 [pchampin]
q?
16:35:56 [pchampin]
scribe-
16:36:01 [pchampin]
https://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-datasets/
16:37:02 [Doerthe]
q+
16:37:07 [pchampin]
ack Doerthe
16:37:09 [pchampin]
q+
16:38:02 [AndyS]
doerthe: important but rather broad to tackle here the moment (c.f. N3)
16:38:10 [pchampin]
ack pchampin
16:38:41 [fabio_vitali]
Thanks Dörthe
16:39:18 [AndyS]
pchampin: our spec refers to note about RDF datasets semantics from RDF 1.1.
16:40:23 [AndyS]
... let's not make it requirement for the WG
16:40:57 [pchampin]
scribe+
16:41:16 [pchampin]
AndyS: WG have a history of not strictly sticking to their charter
16:41:31 [pchampin]
... I'm nervous about mentioning it in the charter; may give too high expectations
16:41:41 [pchampin]
... And anyway I would be suprised if it didn't come up
16:42:18 [pchampin]
q?
16:42:28 [fabio_vitali]
I think it is an inteersting + appropriate topic for this specific Wg. I would be surprised if it was proposed by some other ones
16:42:41 [pchampin]
-> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/issues/3 WG practice
16:43:14 [AndyS]
pchampin: F2F meetings
16:43:28 [AndyS]
... reflect the "new normal"
16:43:29 [pchampin]
https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/pull/4
16:43:51 [pchampin]
q?
16:44:58 [gatemezing]
I don't understand the concept of "synchronize meeting"
16:47:35 [pchampin]
q?
16:48:04 [pchampin]
-> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/issues/5 "guideline for added features"
16:48:14 [olaf]
Have to leave early today. I wish everyone nice and relaxing holidays!
16:48:48 [gatemezing]
Enjoy olaf !
16:49:03 [pchampin]
https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/pull/7
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q?
16:51:02 [AndyS]
pchampin: CSVW and others
16:51:03 [pchampin]
-> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/issues/6 CSVW
16:51:35 [AndyS]
... RDFa
16:52:09 [AndyS]
... do not envisage separate WGs for these
16:52:20 [AndyS]
... may be a lot of work
16:52:34 [AndyS]
... AC and W3C mgt may be concerned
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... (advice from IvanH)
16:53:29 [AndyS]
... idea: plan for recharting as it becomes clear what docs may be touched.
16:53:45 [pchampin]
q?
16:53:52 [gatemezing]
q+
16:53:56 [pchampin]
ack gatemezing
16:56:32 [pchampin]
q?
16:57:36 [gatemezing]
The group will probably upgrade the current SemWeb stack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Web_Stack
16:58:20 [AndyS]
gkellogg: work on RDFa (is there an active CG?) could be done by WG
16:58:56 [AndyS]
... something for the recharter point?
16:59:05 [pchampin]
action: pchampin to implement Ivan Herman's proposal as described in https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/issues/6#issuecomment-986801681
17:00:05 [pchampin]
-> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/issues/10 liaisons
17:00:14 [AndyS]
17:00+00:00
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q?
17:01:29 [AndyS]
pchampin: Next meeting -- 7th Jan.
17:01:35 [rivettp]
+1 for 7 Jan
17:01:53 [gatemezing]
Thanks all, and thanks the chairs
17:02:01 [AndyS]
Bye!
17:02:01 [fabio_vitali]
Ciao! Have a nice end-of-year period!
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