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11:57:28 <xfq> Meeting: MiniApps WG/CG Teleconference
11:57:33 <xfq> present+
11:57:38 <xfq> scribe: xfq
11:57:47 <xfq> rrsagent, make log public
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11:58:44 <xfq> present+ Dan_Zhou
11:59:27 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
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12:00:05 <xfq> present+ tomayac
12:00:17 <xfq> present+ Zitao_Wang
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12:02:19 <xfq> present+ Qing_An
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12:06:04 <xfq_> present+ Canfeng, angel_
12:06:18 <xfq_> present+ martin, hax
12:06:23 <xfq_> qing: @@
12:06:48 <xfq_> ... IoT
12:07:18 <QingAn> ?
12:07:21 <QingAn> q?
12:07:47 <xfq_> present+ yanyumeng
12:08:18 <xfq_> ... ui component
12:08:44 <xfq_> [zitao shares his screen]
12:09:13 <xfq_> zitao: we have solicited feedbak
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12:09:30 <xfq_> ... would like to reuse w3c esiting standard
12:09:48 <xfq_> ... martin had some comments
12:09:58 <xfq_> ... maybe we can reuse web components
12:10:18 <xfq_> ... i reviewed martin's comments and i think it makes sense
12:10:29 <xfq_> ... think we should move in this direction
12:11:05 <xfq_> ... want to discuss the scope and method with the CG and WG
12:11:15 <xfq_> ... want to hear feedbakc from other vendors
12:12:18 <xfq_> s/w3c esiting standard/existing standards in W3C/
12:12:56 <xfq_> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-components/issues/2
12:13:43 <xfq_> martin: The challenges are not limited to these, but here are the more important challenges.
12:14:33 <xfq_> ... should adopt the proposals in the Open UI CG or jump into their discussions
12:15:06 <xfq_> ... another important challenge is that there is overlap with existing html elements
12:15:30 <xfq_> ... some of them are the same, like div
12:16:11 <xfq_> ... If they are really different, the elements could extend the HTML elements using inheritance
12:16:34 <xfq_> ... reuse the attributes and behavior of the existing html elements
12:16:43 <xfq_> ... if they are the same, just adopt HTML
12:17:33 <xfq_> ... Basic MiniApp components with a minimum set of non-standard attributes like disable, focusable..
12:18:02 <xfq_> ... we can create of a basic, essential MiniappElement that extends the HTMLElement with the specific requirements
12:18:07 <xfq_> ...  as the base of all elements
12:18:35 <xfq_> ... the fourth challenge, MiniApp events that are similar to existing standard ones
12:19:20 <xfq_> ... we should adopt the existing standards if we can
12:19:45 <xfq_> ... New events on the MiniApp components (e.g., longpress, swipe…)
12:19:53 <xfq_> ... somewhat controversial
12:20:20 <xfq_> ... i think we can document the use cases to see if they're really necessary
12:20:48 <xfq_> ... if so, we can define new CustomEvents based on the standard DOM interfaces
12:21:08 <xfq_> ... so far we don't have specific features for accessibility in MiniApp	 components
12:21:21 <xfq_> ... like alternative text for images
12:21:38 <xfq_> ... in this case we adopt existing html css dom standards
12:21:48 <xfq_> ... because they already covered a11y features
12:22:37 <xfq_> ... please feel free to comment
12:22:46 <xfq_> ... we can iterate this
12:23:37 <xfq_> zitao: i think we want to discuss open ui and other related work
12:23:51 <xfq_> ... need to make the gaps and challenges clearer
12:24:30 <xfq_> ... want to call for participation from other miniapp vendors
12:25:46 <xfq_> qing: today in the WG we have three specs in development
12:26:24 <xfq_> ... i think the ui component work is very essential
12:26:34 <xfq_> ... personally i'm in favor of the direction
12:26:53 <xfq_> ... also need to consider the APIs
12:27:07 <xfq_> ... gap analysis on miniapp APIs and web APIs
12:28:02 <xfq_> ... we can incubate the ui component work in the CG
12:28:33 <xfq_> zitao: i solicited feedbak from developers
12:28:52 <xfq_> ... they think our current work is good, but not enough
12:29:03 <martin> +1 to analyze the MiniApp APIs/WebAPIs similarities
12:29:04 <xfq_> ... standardized ui component and APIs are useful
12:29:14 <xfq_> ... we can update our white paper
12:30:08 <xfq_> qing: I agree
12:30:16 <QingAn> q?
12:30:20 <xfq_> ... any comment on ui component?
12:31:07 <xfq_> ... we can continue the discussion in github issue
12:31:11 <xfq_> zitao: ok
12:32:13 <xfq_> canfeng: we have further update on the widget requirement
12:32:34 <xfq_> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-widget/pull/3
12:32:53 <xfq_> ... we have started writing an explainer
12:32:59 <xfq_> ... still a draft
12:33:11 <xfq_> ... contains three parts
12:33:40 <xfq_> ... 1. explain what is a widget
12:33:48 <xfq_> ... @@
12:34:20 <xfq_> ... hope to upload an initial draft of widget spec before the next meeting
12:35:06 <xfq_> qing: we can look at it before the next meeting
12:35:54 <xfq_> qing: are we satisfied with https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-widget/pull/3 ?
12:36:14 <xfq_> ... dan has expressed her support
12:37:06 <QingAn> +1
12:37:09 <xfq_> zitao: +1
12:37:09 <martin> +1
12:37:31 <xfq_> +1
12:39:36 <xfq_> xfq: publish @@
12:39:58 <QingAn> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-widget/issues
12:43:56 <xfq_> canfeng: @@
12:45:11 <xfq_> dan: @@
12:47:12 <xfq_> dan: i think #2 can be closed
12:47:47 <xfq_> canfeng: checked with yinli about #1
12:47:50 <xfq_> ... it can be closed
12:48:35 <xfq_> s/... it can be closed//
12:49:37 <xfq_> present+ taofengping
12:50:16 <martin> +1 Jan 13
12:50:18 <xfq_> next cg call: Jan 13
12:51:17 <xfq_> qing: switch to WG meeting after the break
12:51:25 <xfq_> [10min break]
12:54:15 <xfq_> rrsagent, make minutes
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12:58:01 <xfq_> chair: Qing, Zitao
13:00:41 <xfq_> zitao: wg meeting
13:01:13 <xfq_> ... lifecycle
13:01:31 <xfq_> qing: no big update for lifecycle
13:01:39 <xfq_> ... try to share more in the next meeting
13:01:48 <xfq_> zitao: manifest
13:01:54 <xfq_> martin: a few changes
13:02:01 <xfq_> ... some comments from xfq
13:02:15 <xfq_> ... regarding the examples
13:02:41 <xfq_> ... i fixed the issue raised by xfq
13:03:16 <xfq_> ... we also need to consider the URL story in the future
13:04:34 <xfq_> ... feel free to comment
13:05:07 <xfq_> zitao: packaging
13:05:38 <xfq_> ... xfq filed https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-packaging/issues/42
13:06:28 <xfq_> ... we want to discuss whether we need to document this in the packaging spec
13:06:51 <xfq_> ... or we need to define it in a seperate document?
13:07:32 <xfq_> martin: yes, it's something we need to discuss
13:08:08 <xfq_> zitao: for sub-packaging we need to document it
13:08:26 <xfq_> ... for streaming, it's another format
13:08:41 <xfq_> ... do we want to document it in the packaing spec or another spec
13:09:28 <xfq_> martin: it may affect the future of the packaging spec
13:10:35 <xfq_> dan: i suggesta we put streaming and sub-packaging in the packaging spec
13:10:41 <xfq_> ... i can ask tengyuan to help the streaming part
13:11:15 <xfq_> zitao: great
13:11:22 <martin> We really appreciate as much input as possible, thanks!
13:11:58 <xfq_> zitao: addressing
13:11:59 <xfq_> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-addressing/pull/4
13:12:17 <xfq_> dan: i have answered yongjing's question
13:13:31 <xfq_> ... comments welcome
13:14:29 <xfq_> zitao: i noticed that you mentioned why miniapp:// is introduced, but you did not mention platform://
13:15:42 <xfq_> ... maybe you can explain why you designed the URL like this
13:16:13 <xfq_> dan: i'm not sure the deep linking technology can appear in a w3c note
13:16:16 <xfq_> ... need your help
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13:17:14 <xfq_> zitao: encourage folks to help dan revise the draft
13:17:24 <xfq_> ... this spec is impoartant for miniapps standardization
13:17:48 <xfq_> zitao: widget
13:18:08 <xfq_> ... anything else, canfeng?
13:18:21 <xfq_> canfeng: nothing for widget
13:18:25 <xfq_> ... white paper?
13:18:31 <xfq_> zitao: it's the next agenda item
13:21:22 <xfq_> zitao: white paper
13:21:27 <xfq_> [xfq shares his screen]
13:21:32 <xfq_> zitao: maybe we can add miniapp API
13:23:07 <xfq_> canfeng: in the upcoming widget spec we will write some concrete API proposals related to widget
13:23:51 <xfq_> [qing introduces his changes]
13:24:48 <xfq_> qing: miniapps for iot
13:24:53 <xfq_> ... miniapps for TV
13:25:38 <xfq_> ... if you think it needs more content, please let me know
13:26:13 <xfq_> zitao: we can have 1-2 weeks to review this
13:26:43 <xfq_> qing: lifecycle
13:27:39 <xfq_> canfeng: i updated the widget part
13:27:50 <xfq_> ... currently mixed chinese and englighs
13:27:58 <xfq_> .... wil translate into english later
13:28:27 <xfq_> ... in the first paragraph i described the widget requirement document
13:28:47 <xfq_> ... in the second paragraph i gave a very very brief introduction of the widget spec
13:29:42 <xfq_> ... it's the first time i get involded in a white paper work in w3c
13:29:56 <xfq_> ... advice needed
13:32:02 <xfq_> ... any open issues against the white paper?
13:32:09 <xfq_> xfq: https://github.com/w3c/miniapp/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22white+paper%22
13:33:34 <xfq_> canfeng: when we complete the widget spec we can write more next year
13:34:30 <xfq_> zitao: next meeting time
13:35:34 <xfq_> ... joint meeting CG/WG?
13:35:53 <xfq_> jan 27 is too close to chinese new year
13:36:21 <xfq_> canfeng: i prefer separate meetings
13:36:31 <xfq_> ... jan 20?
13:36:44 <xfq_> qing: fine by me
13:36:45 <martin> +1 Jan 20
13:37:28 <xfq_> topic: aob
13:37:31 <xfq_> martin: will include a section about a11y for manifest and packaging
13:39:33 <xfq_> zitao: a11y joint meeting?
13:39:36 <xfq_> xfq: @@
13:40:04 <xfq_> zitao: need to add the a11y, security, priviacy sections
13:40:30 <xfq_> ... does the WG htink we can add these sections before the next meeting?
13:40:45 <xfq_> martin: i can add them, but i think we have gaps in a11y
13:42:45 <martin> +1 to early review
13:43:01 <xfq_> xfq: @@ early review
13:43:59 <xfq_> canfeng: yinli said the widget plan issue can be closed
13:44:09 <xfq_> ... other "plan" issues were also closed
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