20:49:17 RRSAgent has joined #dxwgdcat 20:49:17 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/12/14-dxwgdcat-irc 20:49:30 present+ 20:50:13 meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup 20:50:30 RRSAgent, make logs public 20:50:39 RRSAgent, draft minutes 20:50:39 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/12/14-dxwgdcat-minutes.html riccardoAlabertoni 20:50:45 RRSAgent, make logs public 20:50:56 RRSAgent, draft minutes 20:50:56 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/12/14-dxwgdcat-minutes.html riccardoAlabertoni 21:00:41 DaveBrowning has joined #dxwgdcat 21:07:02 PWinstanley has joined #dxwgdcat 21:07:17 present+ 21:08:51 s /https://mit.zoom.us/j/98843856613?pwd=cU1NMThCUFhhZ0Jxa0JhbmRwaHFvdz09// 21:12:56 present+ 21:13:47 proposed: accept https://www.w3.org/2021/11/30-dxwgdcat-minutes 21:13:49 PROPOSED: approve last meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2021/11/30-dxwgdcat-minutes 21:13:51 0 21:13:54 +1 21:13:55 1 21:13:59 +1 21:14:03 resolved: accept https://www.w3.org/2021/11/30-dxwgdcat-minutes 21:14:16 ttps://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.12.14 21:14:21 scribenick: PWinstanley 21:14:42 https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.12.14 21:14:46 s/ttps://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.12.14/agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.12.14/ 21:14:58 agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.12.14 21:15:14 topic: publication and changes 21:15:37 https://raw.githack.com/w3c/dxwg/dcat-editorialimprovements/dcat/index.html 21:16:18 riccardoAlabertoni: I made changes in the past few hours and the PR is trying to update the references to DCAT2 inherited, and to try and convey that the discussion is now about version 2 21:17:53 ... Previously the terms were prefaced with some indication that they were added in DCAT2. We are doing the same with DCAT3 - people jump through the document looking for specifics, and this note approach helps highlight changes at field level 21:20:49 DaveBrowning: I have investigated and think that what we did in DCAT 2 (indicating the new) brings attention to the new and also gives the rationale. I think that the rationale is something we should preserve, but perhaps it is also worthwhile showing the lifecycle of an entity. So, we would show what is new, but also indicate which version the entity was introduced / deprecated in 21:21:24 ... Having design notes as part of the formal structure at the element level is useful 21:22:40 riccardoAlabertoni: we could embed some skos in the table / RDF 21:24:44 DaveBrowning: what is less clear in my mind is exactly how to execute this retention of design decisions, but that is something we can look at later 21:28:20 riccardoAlabertoni: Can we mark the PR as ready for review? The last comment in the PR is stacked on another relating to DataSeries. We are looking for feedback and people with a focus on this Class need to be aware that there is already some discussion on this topic 21:28:48 https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1439 21:38:23 topic: how prescriptive do we want to be in components of a data series 21:38:36 regrets+ AndreaPerego, Alejandra 21:38:54 rrsagent, draft minutes 21:38:54 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/12/14-dxwgdcat-minutes.html DaveBrowning 21:39:09 riccardoAlabertoni: we could have a 3-level approach to the expected pattern for data series. 21:40:29 s/https://mit.zoom.us/j/98843856613?pwd=cU1NMThCUFhhZ0Jxa0JhbmRwaHFvdz09// 21:40:33 rrsagent, draft minutes 21:40:33 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/12/14-dxwgdcat-minutes.html DaveBrowning 21:42:16 ... When recommending DCAT2 we didn't deprecate DCAT1, but just added to it. The new implementation needs to consider that catalogs compliant with older versions of the standard might not be compatible with DCAT3 because the creation of a new class is going to be different to the handling of dataset series with the DCAT2 components 21:43:50 ... Existing catalogs might decide not to update to the new version 21:44:53 ... investment might be required to update to DCAT3 21:44:54 +q 21:45:15 q+ 21:46:30 DaveBrowning: in the last meeting, we had to consider that DCAT3 might exclude from following a chunk of the user community because they might not want / be able to invest to upgrade 21:47:28 riccardoAlabertoni: Every state has a slightly different solution - the problem can be addressed in a bilateral way, but the actual requirement is to provide a general solution 21:47:32 ack PWinstanley 21:47:43 s/98843856613/CCC/ 21:47:59 rrsagent, draft minutes 21:47:59 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/12/14-dxwgdcat-minutes.html DaveBrowning 21:48:02 PWinstanley: We need to consider / explore "SemOps" - automation for people to upgrade 21:48:53 ... for example - https://github.com/semanticarts/ontology-toolkit 21:50:09 ... this is probably an ideal candidate for connegp 21:51:37 riccardoAlabertoni: I am not sure about the exact approaches - I recall some countries using SQL to show dataset series. 21:52:43 ... We can try to support a general model and the publishers can provide some transformation if they feel minded to do 21:54:46 ... We need to avoid leaving out important use cases. We also need to broadcast the big picture widely so that people are familiar with it 22:08:26 DaveBrowning: The plenary needs to consider that they are comfortable with the direction of travel of the DCAT group 22:08:53 rrsagent, draft minutes 22:08:53 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/12/14-dxwgdcat-minutes.html DaveBrowning 22:09:18 riccardoAlabertoni: move to adjourn. 22:09:35 ... next meeting - 2022-01-11 22:10:01 rrsagent, draft minutes 22:10:01 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/12/14-dxwgdcat-minutes.html PWinstanley