18:54:51 RRSAgent has joined #auto 18:54:51 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/12/07-auto-irc 18:54:53 RRSAgent, make logs Public 18:54:54 Meeting: Automotive Working Group Teleconference 19:04:19 Chair: Peter 19:04:23 Scribe: Ted 19:04:45 Present+ Carine, Peter, Gunnar, Ulf, Ted 19:04:55 Regrets: Adnan 19:05:03 Present+ Erik 19:05:22 Topic: Issues and PR 19:06:07 Ulf: I'm working on implemention protobuf for the JSON payloads 19:06:31 … curious if people are interested or not. I am playing with it and it should be ready early next year 19:08:11 Ted: certainly useful for more efficient off-boarding. worth checking out the schema someone created 19:08:29 Ulf: not well suited for VISS 19:08:59 Gunnar: I spoke with Ulf and understand his impression, would be worth bringing back what he is working on to VSS group 19:09:08 Present+ MagnusG 19:09:42 … not sure the existing protobuf approach in vss-tools was appropriate for our needs 19:10:12 s/Issues and PR/Protobuf experiment/ 19:10:24 Topic: Issues and PR 19:11:23 https://github.com/w3c/automotive/pull/438 19:12:03 Ulf: this seems reasonable to me, useful addition and I am in favor of accepting it 19:12:12 … any questions or hesitation or should we proceed? 19:12:19 Gunnar: that seems likely something needed 19:12:27 Erick: agree 19:12:44 https://github.com/w3c/automotive/pull/437 19:13:05 Ulf: in the specification we have some parts that will be optional instead of mandatory, eg filtering methods supported 19:13:46 … we discussed and agreed client should be informed, I proposed using dynameic metadata 19:14:28 … I'm calling this value's name opt-cap short for optional capabilities 19:18:10 [review of optional capabilities] 19:24:21 Ted: suggest curve instead of clog and capabilities instead of opt-cap. wss really going to be optional? may be less needed when using MQTT 19:24:30 … also want to see less optional 19:25:43 Erik: should it not be possible to not use https via a config, expose less for a given client 19:26:01 … reduces the attack surface 19:27:00 MagnusG: I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that. we are trying to create something for third party app developers, the OEM and suppliers too 19:27:10 … the more that is optional, the more it is diluted 19:28:03 Ulf: optional features should be provided the client instead of it doing trial and error 19:28:24 MagnusG: we suspect additional protocols to be supported later, they won't be on this optional list 19:28:39 Gunnar: agreement some things may be mandatory 19:30:01 … better would be for capabilites to report what is supported including the mandatory components, that would address Magnus' concern 19:31:38 Ted: I interpretted Erik's comment as a suggestion, part of your access control for a given app could include what is available to that client as a security measure 19:32:47 … optional can be customized per client application 19:32:57 Ulf: absolutely 19:38:33 Ulf and Gunnar push back on having that part of access control, it can still exist and be managed by the implementation or security monitor 19:38:34 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/12/07-auto-minutes.html ted 19:39:30 Peter: I would prefer fewer abbreviations, fine with the known acronyms 19:39:38 Magnus: agree, more readable 19:39:47 Ulf: I'm fine with that 19:41:38 … and will make some changes. please keep an eye out and make comments on the PR 19:43:38 … on issues we agreed the BMW ones were responded to so closed. the top two are to be addressed by this last PR 19:45:21 Ted: suggest we publish as a WD, can setup to have that automatic for iterations 19:46:03 ,and try to get wider review 19:46:12 Carine: do we have an explainer? 19:47:05 Ted: an outdated one of sorts in wiki with Patrick L 19:47:18 Carine: an explainer explains what you are going to explain 19:48:20 https://w3c.github.io/documentreview/ 19:48:25 Ulf: both of those steps makes sense 19:48:41 (should create explainer before WD) 19:48:48 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/12/07-auto-minutes.html ted 19:48:58 https://tag.w3.org/explainers/ 19:49:25 Ulf: also encourage people to give it a full read, I will and know of some changes that make sense 19:49:55 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/12/07-auto-minutes.html ted