W3C

– DRAFT –
WoT-IG/WG

01 December 2021

Attendees

Present
Cristiano_Aguzzi, Daniel_Peintner, David_Ezell, Ege_Korkan, Kaz_Ashimura, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Koster, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tomoaki_Mizushima
Regrets
-
Chair
Sebastian/McCool
Scribe
dape

Meeting minutes

Previous minutes

<kaz> Nov-24

Sebastian walks over the minutes from last week
no objections -> minutes approved

Quick updates

Brief report from the panel at IoT Tech Expo Nov 30 at 11:10am CET - Security (McCool)

McCool: 40 minutes events
… 4 panels
… oneM2M was present
… London Transport panel
… should follow-up with them
… topics come up: e.g., management system
… talked about vulnerable systems
… fur the future: network configuration might be of interest
… Note: there is a recording... not sure if it is public

Editors' sync-up call on Tuesday

Sebastian: Not many participants -> short call
… discussions about status of the documents
… new WD for TD is planned
… should also concentrate on profile document

Updates on the possible new Architecture call slot?

Sebastian: Currently: Thursday, 05:00-07:00 EST / 10:00-12:00 UTC
… temporary slot
… need a long-term solution

Lagally: Let's use the slot tomorrow to find a consensus

WoT Japanese CG updates

Mizushima: We are organizing kick-off meeting

Mizushima: Also translated Arch document into Japanese

Sebastian: Thanks, Great!

<kaz> WoT Architecture Japanese translation as a TTC standard

Smart Cities updates

Kaz: no specific news

Rechartering and Charter Extensions

IG Charter Rechartering/Renewal

https://www.w3.org/2019/10/wot-ig-2019.html

Sebastian: W3C Management takes the next steps

Kaz: We put several changes
… updated version is under discussion by W3C management

WG Charter Extension

Sebastian: Also under W3C managements review

Draft WG Charter for the next period AFTER the 12mo extension

https://w3c.github.io/wot/charters/wot-wg-2022-draft.html

Sebastian: New ideas MMC?

McCool: correct, see https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/978

Sebastian: Thanks, please use issue for new ideas/topics

Lagally: In use-cases call we discussed new use-cases

Lagally: it is important to have such use-cases
… everyone is encouraged to provide use-cases
… e.g., need for orchestration or "intelligent" device
… video stream requirements

McCool: should go through all use-cases for new charter
… for new feature we should require use-case

Discuss decision process

https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1005

Sebastian: we discussed the topic in the last TD call. Agreed on GitHub agreements
… with approval ... for example form issue raiser .. we should be able to merge
… this depends of course on the issue and the relations
… every task-force should decide on its own

Lagally: Question about list of "reviewers"
… in the Arch work I assign relevant people
… we should make sure to have a proper review process
… I agree that editorial changes should be merged as soon as possible
… anyhow, we should draw a line here and take care

Lagally: I am still unsure whether asynchronous process helps to speed up

Sebastian: Speaking for TD task force. Small issues waste a lot of time...
… fixes like editorial stuff

Lagally: Agree with editorial changes

Sebastian: TD is stable by now... no big discussion at the moment
… other task forces are still working on the feature set ... which makes it more complex

Lagally: Ultimately we should have a "common" process for all task forces

Sebastian: "text improvements" is also about improving examples .. make it better understandable

Lagally: In nontrivial cases we still need a "live" discussion
… we could use "editorial" label

Sebastian: How does the discovery task force work?

McCool: We do discuss each issue...
… we could improve going through PRs
… should assign reviewers

Ege: PR template could solve such cases
… label a PR as editorial ...

McCool: If we have a template it should be short and clear

Ege: agree
… having checkbox like "editorial"

McCool: Editors should check the label
… PR should be also done at least 1 day before the call

Lagally: +1

Sebastian: Every task-force should talk about this process

Kaz: If we want to improve the process we should think about several steps
… discussion first et cetera
… complicated topics take time
… hence we should be careful
… e.g,. "small" PRs are better than BIG ones

Sebastian: Agree

Marketing

Sebastian: Wiki pages were redesigned
… need short description what task force is about

McCool: provided prototype in security wiki
… link to website et cetera

<sebastian> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_Security_WebConf

McCool: propose this as prototype

Sebastian: Makes sense, other task forces should do the same

Proposed structure:

Testing needed prior to CR transition

McCool: Fady/Ege are working on tooling

Liaisons

McCool: Should follow up on older minutes .. like action items
… we could have "Liaisons" as ongoing process .. instead of adding it to each Agenda
… or even own wiki page ... which gets reviewed from time to time

Lagally: Use-cases document describes Liaisons

<ML showing sections in use-cases document>

<kaz> Liaison section

OPCUA

Sebastian: Had meeting with Jeff yesterday
… we WoT WG can start on OPCUA binding
… OPC UA can work on a new companion standard
… however, we should clarify what kind of stronger commitment required if we want to think about official joint work
… shall we continue the discussion in use-case call ?

Lagally: Makes sense

WISHI call

Sebastian: took place 2 days ago
… there are minutes
… I presented ThingModel
… SDF to ThingModel was discussed also

ITU-T

McCool: have upcoming event Feb 3
… will try to get more details

ECHONET

Kaz: ECHONET is planning to make blog post
… about PlugFest participation, and would like us to have a summary description on the Plugfest site so that they can refer to that page.

McCool: Let's discuss this in PF call

Kaz: Alright

McCool: We should have results for each PF

Sebastian: Blog post in English?

Kaz: I think Japanese only

TF Reports

Discovery

McCool: we made the decision to remove XPath from normative part
… not ideal, ... since JSON path is not standardized

McCool: If you have a strong opinion on that, please speak up

Architecture

Lagally: discussions about names like "profile" and core requirements

Lagally: Thursday, 05:00-07:00 EST / 10:00-12:00 UTC

<kaz> [main call adjourned; Plugfest call starts in 5mins]

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