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13:01:05 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
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13:01:34 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Kunihiko_Toumura
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13:03:27 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
13:03:58 <kaz> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#1_December_2021
13:06:43 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
13:06:58 <kaz> chair: Sebastian/McCool
13:07:04 <kaz> present+ Michael_Koster
13:07:40 <kaz> present+ Michael_McCool
13:08:37 <kaz> scribenick: dape
13:09:01 <dape> TOPIC: Previous minutes
13:09:07 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/11/24-wot-minutes.html Nov-24
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13:11:03 <dape> ... SK walks over the minutes from last week
13:11:23 <kaz> present+ Michael_Lagally
13:11:33 <kaz> present+ Ege_Korkan
13:11:47 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:11:51 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:11:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/12/01-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:12:49 <dape> ... no objections -> minutes approved
13:12:59 <dape> TOPIC: Quick updates
13:13:08 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Brief report from the panel at IoT Tech Expo Nov 30 at 11:10am CET - Security (McCool)
13:13:18 <dape> MMC: 40 minute events
13:13:20 <dape> ... 4 panels
13:13:34 <dape> s/minute events/minutes events
13:13:44 <dape> ... oneM2M was present
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13:14:07 <dape> ... London Transport panel
13:14:17 <dape> ... should follow-up with them
13:14:43 <dape> ... topics come up: e.g., management system
13:15:00 <dape> ... talked about vulnerable systems
13:15:41 <dape> ... fur the future: network configuration might be of interest
13:16:08 <dape> ... Note: there is a recording... not sure if it is public
13:16:15 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Editors' sync-up call on Tuesday
13:16:31 <dape> SK: Not many participants -> short call
13:16:44 <dape> ... discussions about status of the documents
13:16:57 <dape> ... new WD for TD is planned
13:17:10 <dape> ... should also concentrate on profile document
13:17:33 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Updates on the possible new Architecture call slot?
13:17:43 <dape> SK: Currently: Thursday, 05:00-07:00 EST / 10:00-12:00 UTC
13:17:53 <dape> ... temporary slot
13:18:01 <dape> ... need a long-term solution
13:18:27 <dape> ML: Let's use the slot tomorrow to find a consensus
13:18:41 <dape> SUBTOPIC: WoT Japanese CG updates
13:19:18 <dape> TM: We are organizing kick-off meeting
13:19:22 <kaz> q+
13:20:16 <dape> TM: Translated Arch document  into Japanese
13:20:17 <kaz> q-
13:20:26 <dape> SK: Thanks, Great!
13:20:42 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Smart Cities updates
13:20:50 <dape> Kaz: no specific news
13:21:02 <dape> TOPIC: Rechartering and Charter Extensions
13:21:13 <dape> SUBTOPIC: IG Charter Rechartering/Renewal
13:21:20 <dape> -> https://www.w3.org/2019/10/wot-ig-2019.html
13:21:22 <kaz> i|Smart|-> https://www.ttc.or.jp/document_db/information/view_express_entity/1388 WoT Architecture Japanese translation as a TTC standard|
13:21:33 <dape> SK: W3C Management takes the next steps
13:21:39 <kaz> q+
13:21:53 <dape> Kaz: We put several changes
13:22:19 <dape> ... updated version is under discussion by W3C management
13:22:35 <dape> SUBTOPIC: WG Charter Extension
13:22:39 <kaz> q-
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13:22:57 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
13:23:05 <dape> SK: Also under W3C managements review
13:23:12 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Draft WG Charter for the next period AFTER the 12mo extension
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13:23:24 <dape> -> https://w3c.github.io/wot/charters/wot-wg-2022-draft.html
13:23:26 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:23:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/12/01-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:23:39 <dape> SK: New ideas MMC?
13:23:51 <mlagally> q+
13:23:56 <dape> MMC: correct, see https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/978
13:24:24 <kaz> s/... SK//
13:24:25 <dape> SK: Thanks, please use issue for new ideas/topics
13:24:25 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:24:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/12/01-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:25:03 <dape> ML: In use-cases call we discussed new use-cases
13:25:17 <kaz> s/... SK walks over/SK walks over/
13:25:19 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:25:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/12/01-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:25:26 <dape> ... it is important to have such use-cases
13:25:41 <dape> ... everyone is encouraged to provide use-cases
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13:26:43 <dape> ... e.g., need for orchestration or "intelligent" device
13:26:44 <dezell> present+ David_Ezell
13:26:52 <dape> ... video stream requirements
13:27:11 <dape> MMC: should go through all use-cases for new charter
13:27:25 <kaz> present+ David_Ezell
13:28:02 <dape> ... for new feature we should require use-case
13:28:13 <dape> TOPIC: Discuss decision process
13:28:19 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1005
13:28:58 <mlagally> q+
13:29:06 <dape> SK: we discussed the topic in the last TD call. Agreed on GitHub agreements
13:29:39 <dape> ... with approval ... for example form issue raiser .. we should be able to merge
13:29:58 <dape> ... this depends of course on the issue and the relations
13:30:08 <dape> q?
13:30:42 <dape> ... every task-force should decide on its own
13:31:04 <mlagally> q+
13:31:49 <dape> ML: Question about list of "reviewers"
13:32:12 <dape> ... in the Arch work I assign relevant people
13:32:41 <dape> ... we should make sure to have a proper review process
13:33:48 <dape> ... I agree that editorial changes should be merged as soon as possible
13:34:02 <kaz> ack l
13:34:05 <kaz> ack ml
13:34:16 <dape> ... anyhow, we should draw a line here and take care
13:34:18 <dape> q?
13:35:15 <dape> ML: I am still unsure whether asynchronous process helps to speed up
13:35:56 <dape> SK: Speaking for TD task force. Small issues waste a lot of time...
13:36:14 <dape> .. fixes like editorial stuff
13:36:22 <dape> ML: Agree with editorial changes
13:36:48 <dape> SK: TD is stable by now...  no big discussion at the moment
13:37:19 <dape> ... other task forces are still working on the feature set ... which makes it more complex
13:37:58 <dape> ML: Ultimately we should have a "common" process for all task forces
13:40:12 <dape> SK: "text improvements" is also about improving examples .. make it better understandable
13:40:49 <dape> ML: In some cases we still need a "live" discussion
13:41:56 <dape> ... we could use "editorial" label
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13:43:14 <dape> SK: How does the discovery task force work?
13:43:25 <dape> MMC: We do discuss each issue...
13:43:39 <dape> ... we could improve going through PRs
13:43:54 <dape> ... should assign reviewers
13:44:00 <mlagally> s/ML: In some cases/ML: In nontrivial cases/
13:44:26 <dape> Ege: PR template could solve such cases
13:44:40 <dape> ... label a PR as editorial ...
13:45:00 <dape> MMC: If we have a template it should be short and clear
13:45:11 <dape> Ege: agree
13:45:42 <dape> .. having checkbox like "editorial"
13:46:00 <kaz> q+
13:46:09 <dape> MMC: Editors should check the label
13:46:23 <dape> ... PR should be also done at least 1 day before the call
13:46:28 <dape> ML: +1
13:46:36 <kaz> q?
13:47:02 <dape> SK: Every task-force should talk about this process
13:48:16 <dape> Kaz: If we want to improve the process we should think about several steps
13:48:22 <dape> ... discussion first et cetera
13:48:31 <dape> ... complicated topics take time
13:48:44 <dape> ... hence we should be careful
13:49:20 <dape> ... e.g,. "small" PRs are better than BIG ones
13:49:25 <dape> SK: Agree
13:49:41 <kaz> ack k
13:50:16 <dape> TOPIC: Marketing
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13:50:35 <dape> SK: Wiki pages were redesigned
13:50:54 <dape> ... need short description what task force is about
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13:51:26 <dape> MMC: provided prototype in security wiki
13:51:51 <dape> ... link to website et cetera
13:51:54 <sebastian> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_Security_WebConf
13:52:08 <dape> ... propose this as prototype
13:52:33 <dape> SK: Makes sense, other task forces should do the same
13:52:54 <kaz> s/... propose/MMC: propose/
13:53:00 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:53:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/12/01-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:53:12 <dape> -> Proposed structure: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_Security_WebConf
13:53:27 <dape> TOPIC: Testing needed prior to CR transition
13:53:43 <dape> MMC: Fady/Ege are working on tooling
13:54:01 <dape> TOPIC: Liaisons
13:54:56 <dape> MMC: Should follow up on older minutes .. like action items
13:55:22 <mlagally> q+
13:55:39 <dape> ... we could have "Liaisons" as ongoing process .. instead of adding it to each Agenda
13:56:06 <dape> ... or even own wiki page ... which gets reviewed from time to time
13:58:04 <kaz> ack ml
13:58:11 <dape> ML: Use-cases document describes Liaisons
13:58:44 <dape> <ML showing sections in use-cases document>
13:59:04 <kaz> -> https://w3c.github.io/wot-usecases/#liaisons Liaison section
13:59:04 <dape> SUBTOPIC: OPCUA
13:59:29 <dape> SK: Had meeting with Jeff yesterday
13:59:37 <dape> ... we can start on OPCUA binding
13:59:59 <dape> ... on a new companion standard can be worked on
14:00:14 <dape> ... however, we should have strong commitment
14:00:51 <kaz> s/we can/we WoT WG can/
14:00:58 <dape> ... shall we continue the discussion in use-case call ?
14:01:05 <dape> ML: Makes sense
14:01:12 <kaz> s/on a new/OPC UA can work on a new/
14:01:18 <kaz> s/can be worked on//
14:01:30 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Wishi call
14:01:40 <dape> SK: took place 2 days ago
14:02:01 <dape> ... there are minutes
14:02:21 <dape> ... I presented ThingModel
14:02:40 <kaz> s/we should have strong commitment/we should clarify what kind of stronger commitment required if we want to think about official joint work/
14:02:44 <dape> ... SDF to ThingModel was discussed also
14:03:05 <kaz> s/Wishi/WISHI/
14:03:16 <kaz> q+
14:03:28 <dape> SUBTOPIC: ITU-T
14:03:43 <dape> MMC: have upcoming event Feb 3
14:03:54 <dape> ... will try to get more details
14:04:01 <dape> SUBTOPIC: ECHONET
14:04:13 <dape> Kaz: ECHONET is planning to make blog post
14:04:39 <dape> ... about PlugFest participation
14:05:01 <dape> MMC: Let's discuss this in PF call
14:05:05 <dape> Kaz: Alright
14:05:24 <dape> MMC: We should have results for each PF
14:05:38 <dape> SK: Blog post in English?
14:05:46 <dape> Kaz: I think Japanese only
14:06:05 <dape> TOPIC: TF Reports
14:06:14 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Discovery
14:06:26 <kaz> s/participation/participation, and would like us to have a summary description on the Plugfest site so that they can refer to that page./
14:06:44 <kaz> ack k
14:06:57 <dape> MMC: we made the decision to remove XPATH from normative part
14:07:08 <kaz> s/XPATH/XPath/
14:07:23 <dape> ... not ideal, ... since JSON path is not standardized
14:07:45 <dape> MMC: If you have a strong opinion on that, please speak up
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14:08:01 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Architecture
14:08:33 <dape> ML: discussions about names like "profile" and core requirements
14:09:27 <dape> ML: Thursday, 05:00-07:00 EST / 10:00-12:00 UTC
14:10:51 <kaz> [main call adjourned; Plugfest call starts in 5mins]
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