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20:51:05 <riccardoAlbertoni_> present+
20:51:35 <riccardoAlbertoni_> meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup teleconference
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21:13:29 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.11.16
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21:13:45 <riccardoAlbertoni_> Chair: RiccardoAlbertoni
21:13:56 <AndreaPerego> scribenick: AndreaPerego
21:14:07 <AndreaPerego> topic: approve last meeting minutes
21:14:07 <riccardoAlbertoni_> PROPOSED: approve last meeting minutes  https://www.w3.org/2021/09/15-dxwgdcat-minutes
21:14:24 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:14:30 <riccardoAlbertoni_> +1
21:14:32 <DaveBrowning> +1
21:14:46 <riccardoAlbertoni_> RESOLVED: approve last meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2021/09/15-dxwgdcat-minutes
21:14:52 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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21:15:02 <riccardoAlbertoni_> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.11.16
21:15:08 <AndreaPerego> topic: agenda
21:15:10 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:15:16 <DaveBrowning> +1
21:15:30 <riccardoAlbertoni_> +1
21:15:48 <riccardoAlbertoni_> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1418
21:15:49 <AndreaPerego> topic: Outstanding issues
21:15:51 <riccardoAlbertoni_> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1418
21:16:17 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni_: It's about metadata for describing tabular data.
21:16:51 <AndreaPerego> ... This is not exactly in scope with DCAT, and there was a WG working on this.
21:17:20 <AndreaPerego> ... We have already the dcterms:conformsTo that may cover this use case.
21:17:53 <AndreaPerego> ... But this property is quite generic, as reported in the discussion.
21:19:19 <riccardoAlbertoni_> https://resources.data.gov/resources/dcat-us/#distribution-describedBy
21:19:19 <AndreaPerego> ... There was also some discussion about the fact that a specialization of this property should be moved to future work.
21:19:35 <riccardoAlbertoni_> https://resources.data.gov/resources/dcat-us/#distribution-describedByType
21:20:26 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni_: The DCAT US case was also reported ^^ where a specific property is used for this purpose.
21:20:56 <AndreaPerego> ... So, should we keep things as they are, or we should provide a minimal solution?
21:20:56 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:21:02 <DaveBrowning> q+
21:21:05 <riccardoAlbertoni_> ack AndreaPerego
21:21:37 <riccardoAlbertoni_> AndreaPerego: I think this is for future version of DCAT 4
21:22:13 <riccardoAlbertoni_> ... not only tabular data should be consider
21:24:30 <riccardoAlbertoni_> q+
21:24:38 <riccardoAlbertoni_> q-
21:24:43 <riccardoAlbertoni_> ack DaveBrowning
21:24:50 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: And for tabular data there is already a standard that can be re-used - Tabular Data on the Web.
21:25:14 <AndreaPerego> ... There's actually a property defined in their vocabulary that can be used to link to the description of a table.
21:25:44 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: Agree we should move it to future work.
21:25:58 <AndreaPerego> ... I'm also not sure which would be the impact on the vocabulary.
21:26:35 <AndreaPerego> ... We need probably to discuss this in a broader group of people, not limited to the DCAT ones.
21:28:44 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni_: I agree we don't have the bandwidth and people to address this.
21:28:52 <riccardoAlbertoni_> https://www.w3.org/TR/tabular-data-model/#link-header
21:30:36 <AndreaPerego> ... Maybe approached as ^^ can be provided as suggestions on the approach to be followed.
21:31:25 <AndreaPerego> ... But the approach above does not concerns the actual metadata, but how to add the link in HTTP headers.
21:31:44 <AndreaPerego> ... So, you cannot query this information via SPARQL, for instance.
21:33:26 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:33:38 <riccardoAlbertoni_> ack AndreaPerego
21:34:39 <AndreaPerego> https://www.w3.org/TR/tabular-metadata/#introduction
21:34:40 <AndreaPerego> https://www.w3.org/TR/tabular-metadata/#introduction
21:36:36 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: In this other spec ^^ there's a specific property to describe a table: tableSchema
21:37:01 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni_: Actually the Tabular Data WG provided different options on how to do that.
21:38:09 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: If used in DCAT, we should give guidelines on which of the possible approaches should be used.
21:38:31 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni_: So, maybe even a not can be dangerous or confusing.
21:38:37 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: +1
21:38:42 <DaveBrowning> +1
21:39:37 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni_: So, I would suggest to create a new milestone for DCAT4, close this issue, and create another one.
21:40:04 <AndreaPerego> ... This issue should not be limited to tabular data.
21:40:34 <AndreaPerego> ... Actually, the person who created the issue agreed that there is no need to add things in DCAT on this.
21:40:36 <riccardoAlbertoni_> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1418#issuecomment-957883773
21:42:16 <AndreaPerego> proposed: Create a new issue not limited to tabular data and add it to the DCAT4 milestone, and deleted the current one
21:42:27 <DaveBrowning> +1
21:42:46 <AndreaPerego> proposed: Create a new issue not limited to tabular data and add it to the DCAT4 milestone; close the current one
21:42:52 <riccardoAlbertoni_> +1
21:42:54 <DaveBrowning> +1
21:42:55 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:43:13 <AndreaPerego> resolved: Create a new issue not limited to tabular data and add it to the DCAT4 milestone; close the current one
21:43:25 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: May be worth raising this issue in the plenary.
21:43:44 <AndreaPerego> ... It is not just a DCAT issue.
21:44:09 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:44:26 <riccardoAlbertoni_> ack AndreaPerego
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21:47:23 <DaveBrowning> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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21:47:29 <riccardoAlbertoni_> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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21:47:52 <AndreaPerego_> topic: Status of ED for 3PWD
21:48:43 <AndreaPerego_> proposed: Current ED ready for 3PWD after merging https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1369
21:49:00 <DaveBrowning> +1
21:49:05 <riccardoAlbertoni_> +1
21:49:16 <AndreaPerego_> resolved: Current ED ready for 3PWD after merging https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1369
21:49:17 <AndreaPerego_> +1
21:52:13 <riccardoAlbertoni_> +1
21:52:26 <AndreaPerego_> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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21:54:30 <AndreaPerego_> topic: Plan for DCAT
21:54:48 <AndreaPerego_> riccardoAlbertoni_: They idea we discussed is to have the REC out in May 2022.
21:55:06 <AndreaPerego_> ... February is not feasible due to W3C schedule.
21:55:39 <AndreaPerego_> ... Is this a problem?
21:55:48 <AndreaPerego_> AndreaPerego_: Not for me.
21:56:11 <AndreaPerego_> DaveBrowning: It shouldn't be a problem for me.
21:57:26 <AndreaPerego_> ... I saw that some work we may need to do is to clean up the issues in GH.
21:59:06 <AndreaPerego_> ... If you go for May, it may be worth doing some proper housekeeping to give a clearer indication on what might be addressed in future work.
21:59:54 <AndreaPerego_> AndreaPerego_: +1
22:00:06 <AndreaPerego_> riccardoAlbertoni_: I agree.
22:00:44 <AndreaPerego_> ... About what we would like to bring into the REC this concerns versioning, dataset series, and inverse properties.
22:01:12 <AndreaPerego_> ... So, maybe we should prioritize on related issues.
22:02:24 <DaveBrowning> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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22:06:07 <AndreaPerego> topic: AOB?
22:06:18 <AndreaPerego> [meeting adjourned]
22:06:18 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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22:08:41 <AndreaPerego> s/If you go for May/If we go for May/
22:08:42 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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22:11:47 <AndreaPerego> s/maybe even a not can/maybe even a note can/
22:11:48 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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22:12:44 <AndreaPerego> s/suggest to create/suggest we create/
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22:14:09 <AndreaPerego> s/They idea we discussed/The idea we discussed/
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