IRC log of dxwgdcat on 2021-11-16

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20:51:05 [riccardoAlbertoni_]
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meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup teleconference
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agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.11.16
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21:13:45 [riccardoAlbertoni_]
Chair: RiccardoAlbertoni
21:13:56 [AndreaPerego]
scribenick: AndreaPerego
21:14:07 [AndreaPerego]
topic: approve last meeting minutes
21:14:07 [riccardoAlbertoni_]
PROPOSED: approve last meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2021/09/15-dxwgdcat-minutes
21:14:24 [AndreaPerego]
+1
21:14:30 [riccardoAlbertoni_]
+1
21:14:32 [DaveBrowning]
+1
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RESOLVED: approve last meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2021/09/15-dxwgdcat-minutes
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21:15:02 [riccardoAlbertoni_]
https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.11.16
21:15:08 [AndreaPerego]
topic: agenda
21:15:10 [AndreaPerego]
+1
21:15:16 [DaveBrowning]
+1
21:15:30 [riccardoAlbertoni_]
+1
21:15:48 [riccardoAlbertoni_]
https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1418
21:15:49 [AndreaPerego]
topic: Outstanding issues
21:15:51 [riccardoAlbertoni_]
https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1418
21:16:17 [AndreaPerego]
riccardoAlbertoni_: It's about metadata for describing tabular data.
21:16:51 [AndreaPerego]
... This is not exactly in scope with DCAT, and there was a WG working on this.
21:17:20 [AndreaPerego]
... We have already the dcterms:conformsTo that may cover this use case.
21:17:53 [AndreaPerego]
... But this property is quite generic, as reported in the discussion.
21:19:19 [riccardoAlbertoni_]
https://resources.data.gov/resources/dcat-us/#distribution-describedBy
21:19:19 [AndreaPerego]
... There was also some discussion about the fact that a specialization of this property should be moved to future work.
21:19:35 [riccardoAlbertoni_]
https://resources.data.gov/resources/dcat-us/#distribution-describedByType
21:20:26 [AndreaPerego]
riccardoAlbertoni_: The DCAT US case was also reported ^^ where a specific property is used for this purpose.
21:20:56 [AndreaPerego]
... So, should we keep things as they are, or we should provide a minimal solution?
21:20:56 [AndreaPerego]
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21:21:02 [DaveBrowning]
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21:21:05 [riccardoAlbertoni_]
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21:21:37 [riccardoAlbertoni_]
AndreaPerego: I think this is for future version of DCAT 4
21:22:13 [riccardoAlbertoni_]
... not only tabular data should be consider
21:24:30 [riccardoAlbertoni_]
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21:24:38 [riccardoAlbertoni_]
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21:24:43 [riccardoAlbertoni_]
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21:24:50 [AndreaPerego]
AndreaPerego: And for tabular data there is already a standard that can be re-used - Tabular Data on the Web.
21:25:14 [AndreaPerego]
... There's actually a property defined in their vocabulary that can be used to link to the description of a table.
21:25:44 [AndreaPerego]
DaveBrowning: Agree we should move it to future work.
21:25:58 [AndreaPerego]
... I'm also not sure which would be the impact on the vocabulary.
21:26:35 [AndreaPerego]
... We need probably to discuss this in a broader group of people, not limited to the DCAT ones.
21:28:44 [AndreaPerego]
riccardoAlbertoni_: I agree we don't have the bandwidth and people to address this.
21:28:52 [riccardoAlbertoni_]
https://www.w3.org/TR/tabular-data-model/#link-header
21:30:36 [AndreaPerego]
... Maybe approached as ^^ can be provided as suggestions on the approach to be followed.
21:31:25 [AndreaPerego]
... But the approach above does not concerns the actual metadata, but how to add the link in HTTP headers.
21:31:44 [AndreaPerego]
... So, you cannot query this information via SPARQL, for instance.
21:33:26 [AndreaPerego]
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21:34:39 [AndreaPerego]
https://www.w3.org/TR/tabular-metadata/#introduction
21:34:40 [AndreaPerego]
https://www.w3.org/TR/tabular-metadata/#introduction
21:36:36 [AndreaPerego]
AndreaPerego: In this other spec ^^ there's a specific property to describe a table: tableSchema
21:37:01 [AndreaPerego]
riccardoAlbertoni_: Actually the Tabular Data WG provided different options on how to do that.
21:38:09 [AndreaPerego]
AndreaPerego: If used in DCAT, we should give guidelines on which of the possible approaches should be used.
21:38:31 [AndreaPerego]
riccardoAlbertoni_: So, maybe even a not can be dangerous or confusing.
21:38:37 [AndreaPerego]
AndreaPerego: +1
21:38:42 [DaveBrowning]
+1
21:39:37 [AndreaPerego]
riccardoAlbertoni_: So, I would suggest to create a new milestone for DCAT4, close this issue, and create another one.
21:40:04 [AndreaPerego]
... This issue should not be limited to tabular data.
21:40:34 [AndreaPerego]
... Actually, the person who created the issue agreed that there is no need to add things in DCAT on this.
21:40:36 [riccardoAlbertoni_]
https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1418#issuecomment-957883773
21:42:16 [AndreaPerego]
proposed: Create a new issue not limited to tabular data and add it to the DCAT4 milestone, and deleted the current one
21:42:27 [DaveBrowning]
+1
21:42:46 [AndreaPerego]
proposed: Create a new issue not limited to tabular data and add it to the DCAT4 milestone; close the current one
21:42:52 [riccardoAlbertoni_]
+1
21:42:54 [DaveBrowning]
+1
21:42:55 [AndreaPerego]
+1
21:43:13 [AndreaPerego]
resolved: Create a new issue not limited to tabular data and add it to the DCAT4 milestone; close the current one
21:43:25 [AndreaPerego]
DaveBrowning: May be worth raising this issue in the plenary.
21:43:44 [AndreaPerego]
... It is not just a DCAT issue.
21:44:09 [AndreaPerego]
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21:47:52 [AndreaPerego_]
topic: Status of ED for 3PWD
21:48:43 [AndreaPerego_]
proposed: Current ED ready for 3PWD after merging https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1369
21:49:00 [DaveBrowning]
+1
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+1
21:49:16 [AndreaPerego_]
resolved: Current ED ready for 3PWD after merging https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1369
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21:52:13 [riccardoAlbertoni_]
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21:54:30 [AndreaPerego_]
topic: Plan for DCAT
21:54:48 [AndreaPerego_]
riccardoAlbertoni_: They idea we discussed is to have the REC out in May 2022.
21:55:06 [AndreaPerego_]
... February is not feasible due to W3C schedule.
21:55:39 [AndreaPerego_]
... Is this a problem?
21:55:48 [AndreaPerego_]
AndreaPerego_: Not for me.
21:56:11 [AndreaPerego_]
DaveBrowning: It shouldn't be a problem for me.
21:57:26 [AndreaPerego_]
... I saw that some work we may need to do is to clean up the issues in GH.
21:59:06 [AndreaPerego_]
... If you go for May, it may be worth doing some proper housekeeping to give a clearer indication on what might be addressed in future work.
21:59:54 [AndreaPerego_]
AndreaPerego_: +1
22:00:06 [AndreaPerego_]
riccardoAlbertoni_: I agree.
22:00:44 [AndreaPerego_]
... About what we would like to bring into the REC this concerns versioning, dataset series, and inverse properties.
22:01:12 [AndreaPerego_]
... So, maybe we should prioritize on related issues.
22:02:24 [DaveBrowning]
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topic: AOB?
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[meeting adjourned]
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s/If you go for May/If we go for May/
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s/maybe even a not can/maybe even a note can/
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s/suggest to create/suggest we create/
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s/They idea we discussed/The idea we discussed/
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