IRC log of aria-apg on 2021-11-16

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19:14:31 [MarkMcCarthy]
zakim, start meeting
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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), MarkMcCarthy
19:14:40 [Matt_King]
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19:14:56 [Jemma]
Topic: ARIA APG 1.2 retrospective
19:14:58 [jamesn]
present+
19:14:59 [Matt_King]
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/16-aria-apg-minutes.html Matt_King
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Howard present+
19:16:22 [Jemma]
present+ howard
19:17:58 [Jemma]
https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/apg-1.2r1/aria-practices.html
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URL to preview the publication and as permanent record of the state of the pub branch for the CFC:
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Topic: APG Redesign Project
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https://github.com/w3c/apg-redesign/issues
19:23:20 [Jemma]
https://github.com/w3c/apg-redesign/issues/1
19:24:02 [Jemma]
this will be the last versioning for APG. redesign project will be new platform for APG document
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19:24:20 [Jemma]
Prototype: http://wai-aria-practices.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/
19:24:50 [Jemma]
jon: will aria apg 1.1 be deprecated?
19:25:18 [Jemma]
mck: old version will get deprecation warning
19:26:17 [Jemma]
Jemma will contact michael to place deprecation warning to 1.1
19:26:46 [Jemma]
mck: still work to be done with education and outreach working group.
19:26:59 [Jemma]
for apg redesign project
19:27:59 [Jemma]
... we can aim for axecon as the deadline, fall back can be GAAD
19:29:09 [Jemma]
"This publication is expected to be the final publication of WAI-ARIA Authoring Practices 1.2 as a Working Group Note. The content will continue to be updated as a resource outside of the formal document stream. To see plans for the complete guide, review the Authoring Practices Milestone Plan."
19:29:25 [Jemma]
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/milestones?direction=asc&sort=due_date&state=open
19:29:49 [Jemma]
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/milestone/11
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19:31:21 [Jemma]
mck: we may need to rethink about milestone concept since we are not doing any versioning
19:32:01 [Jemma]
james: we will work something out how to versioning the doc.
19:32:53 [Jemma]
james: everything except ARIA will be ever green doc.
19:34:02 [Jemma]
mck: we also add html exmaples - ex: slider with input and a lot more coming to incorporate to new design
19:34:07 [Jemma]
scribe: Jemma
19:34:22 [Jemma]
... more cohesive doc for accessibility
19:35:12 [Jemma]
... we will continue to work on slider, rating, accordion changes
19:36:26 [Jemma]
jon: completing navigation menu guidance will be great.
19:36:50 [Jemma]
... u of i campus developers are asking about this example
19:37:02 [Jemma]
car: i am also wondering about navigation menu guidnace.
19:37:23 [Jemma]
mck: we are getting cloes to finish.
19:38:19 [Jemma]
car:
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i like the intro section of menu bar and hope it can be part of spec
19:38:55 [Jemma]
https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/apg-1.2r1/examples/disclosure/disclosure-navigation.html
19:39:14 [Jemma]
https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/apg-1.2r1/aria-practices.html#disclosure
19:40:01 [Jemma]
https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/apg-1.2r1/examples/menubar/menubar-navigation.html
19:40:22 [Jemma]
https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/apg-1.2r1/examples/disclosure/disclosure-navigation-hybrid.html
19:40:49 [Jemma]
jon: Example Disclosure Navigation Menu with Top-Level Links and Disclosure (Show/Hide) Navigation Menu can be very helpful
19:41:48 [Jemma]
jon:mat and bryan, what do you think about separation link from button in top level links example?
19:42:18 [Jemma]
mak/bryan: it is a good thing to separate link from button
19:42:35 [Jemma]
jon: I am seeing the hybrid approach.
19:43:00 [Jemma]
mck: that is aweful because it forces user to go through so many links
19:43:26 [Jemma]
jon: shift tab moves the focus to top level link.
19:43:50 [Jemma]
...links should be visible or hidden?
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mck: there should be no links hidden from screen reader users.
19:45:15 [Jemma]
brayn: there is different example in accordion case. but we suggest separate button to trigger visbility.
19:45:22 [Jemma]
of hidden links
19:45:53 [Jemma]
jon: display none for submenu items.
19:46:13 [Jemma]
mck/bryan: that is ok.
19:47:25 [Jemma]
james: are we planning to create web co? mpoent examples to apg
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?
19:48:35 [Jemma]
mck/james: we can offer vanila version of js and web component but people may abuse those without learning.
19:48:58 [Jemma]
mck: we need to make sure that this is not production library.
19:49:14 [Jemma]
people would use without learning
19:49:23 [Jemma]
car: we need to provide guidances.
19:50:54 [Jemma]
mck: we did a lot of work and improved on quality control and infrastructure.
19:51:18 [Jemma]
...wondering about outcome
19:51:40 [Jemma]
jon: it was worth to see all the updates and upgrade.
19:52:08 [Jemma]
...adding accessibility features was good.
19:52:18 [carmacleod]
car: we need to provide guidance for responsive design. i.e. how should things like tab component behave on smaller screens? Dropdown?
19:52:37 [Jemma]
...comparing old example with new example shows that there are so much work to be done.
19:53:21 [Jemma]
mck: we can organize project board to prioritize
19:53:40 [Jemma]
rich: I see several different project boards.
19:54:16 [Jemma]
mck: there is two types project boards -one is based on example pattern and compile all related issues.
19:54:46 [Jemma]
... shows the bird view of a specific pattern
19:55:15 [Jemma]
...the other is about code quality tracker project board.
19:55:35 [Jemma]
it is more about auditing the examples
19:56:09 [Jemma]
rich; showing the progress will be benficial.
19:58:33 [Jemma]
car: question about region and section role discussion
19:59:00 [Jemma]
... if we have div with region without accessible name, is it landmark or not?
19:59:11 [Jemma]
mck: yes. it is landmark
19:59:20 [MarkMcCarthy]
s/rich; showing/rich: showing
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james: region required to have accessible name.
20:00:15 [Jemma]
form "role" will require accessible name, not form elemement.
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car: banner in scope of body with role ban, it is landmark.
20:02:31 [Jemma]
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20:08:33 [Matt_King]
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20:14:11 [Jemma]
Chair: Jemma
20:14:26 [Jemma]
zakim, who is here
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Jemma, you need to end that query with '?'
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zakim, who is here?
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Present: Matt_King, MarkMcCarthy, jamesn, Rich_Noah, howard
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On IRC I see howard_edwards, siri, carmacleod, Rich_Noah, RRSAgent, Matt_King, Zakim, MarkMcCarthy, Jemma, jongunde_, MichaelC, github-bot, jamesn, ZoeBijl, trackbot
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