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19:14:56 <Jemma> Topic: ARIA APG 1.2 retrospective
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19:17:58 <Jemma> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/apg-1.2r1/aria-practices.html
19:18:16 <Jemma> URL to preview the publication and as permanent record of the state of the pub branch for the CFC:
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19:21:34 <Jemma> Topic: APG Redesign Project
19:22:53 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/apg-redesign/issues
19:23:20 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/apg-redesign/issues/1
19:24:02 <Jemma> this will be the last versioning for APG. redesign project will be new platform for APG document
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19:24:20 <Jemma> Prototype: http://wai-aria-practices.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/
19:24:50 <Jemma> jon: will aria apg 1.1 be deprecated?
19:25:18 <Jemma> mck: old version will get deprecation warning
19:26:17 <Jemma> Jemma will contact michael to place deprecation warning to 1.1
19:26:46 <Jemma> mck: still work to be done with education and outreach working group.
19:26:59 <Jemma> for apg redesign project
19:27:59 <Jemma> ... we can aim for axecon as the deadline, fall back can be GAAD
19:29:09 <Jemma> "This publication is expected to be the final publication of WAI-ARIA Authoring Practices 1.2 as a Working Group Note. The content will continue to be updated as a resource outside of the formal document stream. To see plans for the complete guide, review the Authoring Practices Milestone Plan."
19:29:25 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/milestones?direction=asc&sort=due_date&state=open
19:29:49 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/milestone/11
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19:31:21 <Jemma> mck: we may need to rethink about milestone concept since we are not doing any versioning
19:32:01 <Jemma> james: we will work something out how to versioning the doc.
19:32:53 <Jemma> james: everything except ARIA will be ever green doc.
19:34:02 <Jemma> mck: we also add html exmaples - ex: slider with input and a lot more coming to incorporate to new design
19:34:07 <Jemma> scribe: Jemma
19:34:22 <Jemma> ... more cohesive doc for accessibility
19:35:12 <Jemma> ... we will continue to work on slider, rating, accordion changes
19:36:26 <Jemma> jon: completing navigation menu guidance will be great.
19:36:50 <Jemma> ... u of i campus developers are asking about this example
19:37:02 <Jemma> car: i am also wondering about navigation menu guidnace.
19:37:23 <Jemma> mck: we are getting cloes to finish.
19:38:19 <Jemma> car:
19:38:41 <Jemma> i like the intro section of menu bar and hope it can be part of spec
19:38:55 <Jemma> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/apg-1.2r1/examples/disclosure/disclosure-navigation.html
19:39:14 <Jemma> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/apg-1.2r1/aria-practices.html#disclosure
19:40:01 <Jemma> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/apg-1.2r1/examples/menubar/menubar-navigation.html
19:40:22 <Jemma> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/apg-1.2r1/examples/disclosure/disclosure-navigation-hybrid.html
19:40:49 <Jemma> jon: Example Disclosure Navigation Menu with Top-Level Links and Disclosure (Show/Hide) Navigation Menu can be very helpful
19:41:48 <Jemma> jon:mat and bryan, what do you think about separation link from button in top level links example?
19:42:18 <Jemma> mak/bryan: it is a good thing to separate link from button
19:42:35 <Jemma> jon: I am seeing the hybrid approach.
19:43:00 <Jemma> mck: that is aweful because it forces user to go through so many links
19:43:26 <Jemma> jon: shift tab moves the focus to top level link.
19:43:50 <Jemma> ...links should be visible or hidden?
19:44:14 <Jemma> mck: there should be no links hidden from screen reader users.
19:45:15 <Jemma> brayn: there is different example in accordion case. but we suggest separate button to trigger visbility.
19:45:22 <Jemma> of hidden links
19:45:53 <Jemma> jon: display none for submenu items.
19:46:13 <Jemma> mck/bryan: that is ok.
19:47:25 <Jemma> james: are we planning to create web co? mpoent examples to apg
19:47:28 <Jemma> ?
19:48:35 <Jemma> mck/james: we can offer vanila version of js and web component but people may abuse those without learning.
19:48:58 <Jemma> mck: we need to make sure that this is not production library.
19:49:14 <Jemma> people would use without learning
19:49:23 <Jemma> car: we need to provide guidances.
19:50:54 <Jemma> mck: we did a lot of work and improved on quality control and infrastructure.
19:51:18 <Jemma> ...wondering about outcome
19:51:40 <Jemma> jon: it was worth to see all the updates and upgrade.
19:52:08 <Jemma> ...adding accessibility features was good.
19:52:18 <carmacleod> car: we need to provide guidance for responsive design. i.e. how should things like tab component behave on smaller screens? Dropdown?
19:52:37 <Jemma> ...comparing old example with new example shows that there are so much work to be done.
19:53:21 <Jemma> mck: we can organize project board to prioritize
19:53:40 <Jemma> rich: I see several different project boards.
19:54:16 <Jemma> mck: there is two types project boards -one is based on example pattern and compile all related issues.
19:54:46 <Jemma> ... shows the bird view of a specific pattern
19:55:15 <Jemma> ...the other is about code quality tracker project board.
19:55:35 <Jemma> it is more about auditing the examples
19:56:09 <Jemma> rich; showing the progress will be benficial.
19:58:33 <Jemma> car: question about region and section role discussion
19:59:00 <Jemma> ... if we have div with region without accessible name, is it landmark or not?
19:59:11 <Jemma> mck: yes. it is landmark
19:59:20 <MarkMcCarthy> s/rich; showing/rich: showing
19:59:32 <Jemma> james: region required to have accessible name.
20:00:15 <Jemma> form "role" will require accessible name, not form elemement.
20:01:53 <Jemma> car: banner in scope of body with role ban, it is  landmark.
20:02:31 <Jemma> rrsagent, make minutes
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20:14:11 <Jemma> Chair: Jemma
20:14:26 <Jemma> zakim, who is here
20:14:26 <Zakim> Jemma, you need to end that query with '?'
20:14:30 <Jemma> zakim, who is here?
20:14:30 <Zakim> Present: Matt_King, MarkMcCarthy, jamesn, Rich_Noah, howard
20:14:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see howard_edwards, siri, carmacleod, Rich_Noah, RRSAgent, Matt_King, Zakim, MarkMcCarthy, Jemma, jongunde_, MichaelC, github-bot, jamesn, ZoeBijl, trackbot
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