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14:35:57 <tzviya> Meeting: PWE
14:36:01 <tzviya> Chair: Tzviya
14:36:09 <tzviya> Date: 2021-11-09
14:37:13 <tzviya> Agenda+ Disciplinary Process / Consequences
14:37:13 <tzviya> Agenda+  Ombuds update, next steps
14:37:13 <tzviya> Agenda+  Inclusive Naming Initiative https://inclusivenaming.org/
14:37:14 <tzviya> Agenda+ Inclusion Fund - how did it go?
14:37:14 <tzviya> Agenda+ AOB
14:59:39 <tzviya> present+
15:00:51 <wendyreid> present+
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15:01:59 <tzviya> regrets+
15:02:07 <tzviya> s/regrets+
15:02:12 <tzviya> regrets+ Tobie
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15:04:18 <wseltzer> scribenick: wseltzer
15:04:25 <wseltzer> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:04:25 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Disciplinary Process / Consequences -- taken up [from tzviya]
15:04:37 <Jemma> present+
15:04:45 <tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/blob/main/CEPCdisciplinary-process.md
15:05:04 <wseltzer> tzviya: several months ago, drafted disciplinary process
15:05:04 <tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/issues/193
15:05:19 <wseltzer> ... added an issue re consequences
15:05:24 <wseltzer> ... making them more robust
15:06:02 <tzviya> present+ annette
15:06:33 <wseltzer> LizLutgendorff: from experience in civil service, there can be long-term issues that gradually escalate
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15:06:58 <wseltzer> ... using the grievance process is usually unsatisfying
15:07:36 <Jemma> fyi. https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/blob/main/grievance-process.md link is broken.
15:08:31 <tzviya> we are looking at https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/blob/main/CEPCdisciplinary-process.md
15:08:52 <wseltzer> ... more successful, when someone reports immediately, and issue goes to mediation
15:08:59 <wseltzer> ... vs cumulative effect
15:10:11 <wseltzer> ... Several different options: if you're looking at long complicated histories, external agency might do best
15:10:34 <wseltzer> ... whereas for mediation, strucutred conversation where everyone can agree on a way forward, could work as internal conversation
15:10:52 <wseltzer> ... would be good for a few people to work together to share experience
15:11:02 <wendyreid> q+
15:11:40 <wseltzer> tzviya: a number of people have asked us to include consequences in CEPC, rather than separate document
15:12:13 <tzviya> ack wendyreid
15:12:24 <wseltzer> wendyreid: +1 to all of that
15:12:45 <wseltzer> ... best to deal with issues as quickly as possible
15:12:50 <wseltzer> q+
15:13:05 <wseltzer> ... come at it with empathy
15:13:07 <wseltzer> q-
15:13:46 <wseltzer> ... get people together with a neutral third party
15:14:09 <LizLutgendorff> Q+
15:14:19 <Jemma> agenda?
15:14:27 <Jemma> Q+
15:14:36 <wseltzer> ... if it requires escalation, then consider ombuds or staff
15:14:41 <tzviya> zakim, take up next
15:14:41 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, tzviya
15:14:44 <wseltzer> q+ re thresholds
15:15:00 <wseltzer> wendyreid: I volunteer an outline for chairs training
15:15:17 <wseltzer> ... help chairs deal with issues they could handle immediately
15:15:25 <tzviya> ack LizLutgendorff
15:15:35 <wendyreid> scribe+
15:16:07 <wseltzer> LizLutgendorff: conversation about what people want from the process
15:17:01 <wseltzer> ... sharing clear expectations: this process is intended to repair relationships, not to kick people out
15:17:12 <tzviya> ack Jemma
15:19:05 <wseltzer> Jemma: opportunities for others than the chair to intervene
15:22:32 <wseltzer> wendyreid: making the path clearer can help people deal with these issues more immediately
15:22:46 <wseltzer> ... who calls out the bad behavior?
15:22:59 <wseltzer> ... whom do I contact?
15:23:13 <wseltzer> ... clear process can help empower
15:25:35 <wseltzer> tzviya: we need to document reporting and consequences
15:25:44 <tzviya> ack wseltzer
15:25:44 <Zakim> wseltzer, you wanted to discuss thresholds
15:28:15 <wseltzer> LizLutgendorff: also interested to help with chair training
15:29:10 <tzviya> zakim, take up agenda
15:29:10 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up agenda', tzviya
15:29:18 <annette_g> present+
15:29:20 <tzviya> zakim, next item
15:29:20 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Ombuds update, next steps -- taken up [from tzviya]
15:29:44 <wseltzer> tzviya: we don't have the ombuds development team here
15:31:07 <wseltzer> ... want to move that work forward
15:31:23 <tink> present+ Léonie (tink)
15:32:09 <wseltzer> ... training program
15:33:38 <wseltzer> tzviya: thanks Léonie as she steps down as chair
15:33:44 <wseltzer> tink: I won't be far away
15:33:55 <tzviya> zakim, next item
15:33:55 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Inclusive Naming Initiative https://inclusivenaming.org/ -- taken up [from tzviya]
15:33:55 <wseltzer> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:33:57 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Inclusive Naming Initiative https://inclusivenaming.org/ -- taken up [from tzviya]
15:34:24 <wseltzer> tzviya: Mallory from CDT sent link to inclusive naming initiative
15:36:00 <wseltzer> wendyreid: as a resource, reviewers could look at naming
15:37:07 <wseltzer> wseltzer: looks like a good resource for us
15:38:27 <wseltzer> tzviya: I'll follow up with annette and mallory
15:38:52 <tzviya> zakim, take up next
15:38:52 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Inclusion Fund - how did it go? -- taken up [from tzviya]
15:40:41 <wseltzer> wseltzer: 2 people awarded reimbursement from Inclusion Fund
15:41:03 <wseltzer> LizLutgendorff: I wonder how we can guide more people to relevant criteria
15:41:25 <wseltzer> wendyreid: feedback: start earlier next year
15:41:58 <wseltzer> LizLutgendorff: as a process, it was fairly straightforward
15:42:20 <Jemma> Q+
15:42:47 <wseltzer> ... I can review for next year's prep
15:43:31 <wseltzer> wendyreid: next year, should prep to announce with initial TPAC announcements
15:43:54 <wseltzer> ... and consider the challenges of physical meeting
15:43:55 <tzviya> ack Jemma
15:44:01 <wseltzer> ... and expenses
15:44:55 <wseltzer> Jemma: maybe give some examples, video
15:45:33 <tink> q+
15:47:21 <tzviya> ack tink
15:48:02 <wseltzer> wendyreid: ask recipients if they'd like to share testimonials?
15:48:09 <Jemma> Q+
15:48:12 <wseltzer> tink: a dedicated web page for the inclusion fund
15:48:18 <wseltzer> ... not just a blog post
15:48:31 <tzviya> +1 to having a dedicated page for inclusion fund
15:49:00 <wseltzer> ... Make sure the first link isn't direct to a login form, without instruction to create a free W3C account
15:49:28 <wseltzer> ... start promotion even earlier
15:49:41 <Jemma> +1 to early promotion
15:50:22 <wseltzer> ... how to fill the gap between payment and reimbursement, worse in times of physical travel costs
15:50:41 <wendyreid> +1000
15:50:54 <wseltzer> ... or even pre-pay expenses
15:51:05 <tzviya> ack Jemma
15:51:12 <wseltzer> Jemma: +1 to tink
15:52:45 <wseltzer> wseltzer: if we create text for a web page, I can work with comm to get it posted
15:52:50 <wseltzer> Topic: AOB
15:53:17 <tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/issues/193#issuecomment-961301203
15:53:26 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/Guide/process/banning.html
15:54:08 <wseltzer> -> https://github.com/w3c/Guide/commits/main/process/banning.html history
15:58:37 <wseltzer> tzviya: anticipating update to CEPC
15:58:59 <wseltzer> ... that will be a lengthy process
15:59:03 <wseltzer> [adjourned]
15:59:08 <wseltzer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:59:31 <wseltzer> meeting: PWE
15:59:40 <wseltzer> chair: Tzviya, liz
15:59:44 <wseltzer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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16:00:23 <wseltzer> present+
16:00:29 <wseltzer> regrets- tzviya
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