IRC log of pwe on 2021-11-09

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14:35:57 [tzviya]
Meeting: PWE
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Chair: Tzviya
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Date: 2021-11-09
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Agenda+ Disciplinary Process / Consequences
14:37:13 [tzviya]
Agenda+ Ombuds update, next steps
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Agenda+ Inclusive Naming Initiative https://inclusivenaming.org/
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Agenda+ Inclusion Fund - how did it go?
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Agenda+ AOB
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present+
15:00:51 [wendyreid]
present+
15:01:48 [LizLutgendorff]
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regrets+
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s/regrets+
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regrets+ Tobie
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15:04:18 [wseltzer]
scribenick: wseltzer
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zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1 -- Disciplinary Process / Consequences -- taken up [from tzviya]
15:04:37 [Jemma]
present+
15:04:45 [tzviya]
https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/blob/main/CEPCdisciplinary-process.md
15:05:04 [wseltzer]
tzviya: several months ago, drafted disciplinary process
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https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/issues/193
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... added an issue re consequences
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... making them more robust
15:06:02 [tzviya]
present+ annette
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LizLutgendorff: from experience in civil service, there can be long-term issues that gradually escalate
15:06:47 [annette_g]
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... using the grievance process is usually unsatisfying
15:07:36 [Jemma]
fyi. https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/blob/main/grievance-process.md link is broken.
15:08:31 [tzviya]
we are looking at https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/blob/main/CEPCdisciplinary-process.md
15:08:52 [wseltzer]
... more successful, when someone reports immediately, and issue goes to mediation
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... vs cumulative effect
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... Several different options: if you're looking at long complicated histories, external agency might do best
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... whereas for mediation, strucutred conversation where everyone can agree on a way forward, could work as internal conversation
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... would be good for a few people to work together to share experience
15:11:02 [wendyreid]
q+
15:11:40 [wseltzer]
tzviya: a number of people have asked us to include consequences in CEPC, rather than separate document
15:12:13 [tzviya]
ack wendyreid
15:12:24 [wseltzer]
wendyreid: +1 to all of that
15:12:45 [wseltzer]
... best to deal with issues as quickly as possible
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q+
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... come at it with empathy
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q-
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... get people together with a neutral third party
15:14:09 [LizLutgendorff]
Q+
15:14:19 [Jemma]
agenda?
15:14:27 [Jemma]
Q+
15:14:36 [wseltzer]
... if it requires escalation, then consider ombuds or staff
15:14:41 [tzviya]
zakim, take up next
15:14:41 [Zakim]
I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, tzviya
15:14:44 [wseltzer]
q+ re thresholds
15:15:00 [wseltzer]
wendyreid: I volunteer an outline for chairs training
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... help chairs deal with issues they could handle immediately
15:15:25 [tzviya]
ack LizLutgendorff
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scribe+
15:16:07 [wseltzer]
LizLutgendorff: conversation about what people want from the process
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... sharing clear expectations: this process is intended to repair relationships, not to kick people out
15:17:12 [tzviya]
ack Jemma
15:19:05 [wseltzer]
Jemma: opportunities for others than the chair to intervene
15:22:32 [wseltzer]
wendyreid: making the path clearer can help people deal with these issues more immediately
15:22:46 [wseltzer]
... who calls out the bad behavior?
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... whom do I contact?
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... clear process can help empower
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tzviya: we need to document reporting and consequences
15:25:44 [tzviya]
ack wseltzer
15:25:44 [Zakim]
wseltzer, you wanted to discuss thresholds
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LizLutgendorff: also interested to help with chair training
15:29:10 [tzviya]
zakim, take up agenda
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I don't understand 'take up agenda', tzviya
15:29:18 [annette_g]
present+
15:29:20 [tzviya]
zakim, next item
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agendum 2 -- Ombuds update, next steps -- taken up [from tzviya]
15:29:44 [wseltzer]
tzviya: we don't have the ombuds development team here
15:31:07 [wseltzer]
... want to move that work forward
15:31:23 [tink]
present+ Léonie (tink)
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... training program
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tzviya: thanks Léonie as she steps down as chair
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tink: I won't be far away
15:33:55 [tzviya]
zakim, next item
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agendum 3 -- Inclusive Naming Initiative https://inclusivenaming.org/ -- taken up [from tzviya]
15:33:55 [wseltzer]
zakim, take up agendum 3
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agendum 3 -- Inclusive Naming Initiative https://inclusivenaming.org/ -- taken up [from tzviya]
15:34:24 [wseltzer]
tzviya: Mallory from CDT sent link to inclusive naming initiative
15:36:00 [wseltzer]
wendyreid: as a resource, reviewers could look at naming
15:37:07 [wseltzer]
wseltzer: looks like a good resource for us
15:38:27 [wseltzer]
tzviya: I'll follow up with annette and mallory
15:38:52 [tzviya]
zakim, take up next
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agendum 4 -- Inclusion Fund - how did it go? -- taken up [from tzviya]
15:40:41 [wseltzer]
wseltzer: 2 people awarded reimbursement from Inclusion Fund
15:41:03 [wseltzer]
LizLutgendorff: I wonder how we can guide more people to relevant criteria
15:41:25 [wseltzer]
wendyreid: feedback: start earlier next year
15:41:58 [wseltzer]
LizLutgendorff: as a process, it was fairly straightforward
15:42:20 [Jemma]
Q+
15:42:47 [wseltzer]
... I can review for next year's prep
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wendyreid: next year, should prep to announce with initial TPAC announcements
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... and consider the challenges of physical meeting
15:43:55 [tzviya]
ack Jemma
15:44:01 [wseltzer]
... and expenses
15:44:55 [wseltzer]
Jemma: maybe give some examples, video
15:45:33 [tink]
q+
15:47:21 [tzviya]
ack tink
15:48:02 [wseltzer]
wendyreid: ask recipients if they'd like to share testimonials?
15:48:09 [Jemma]
Q+
15:48:12 [wseltzer]
tink: a dedicated web page for the inclusion fund
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... not just a blog post
15:48:31 [tzviya]
+1 to having a dedicated page for inclusion fund
15:49:00 [wseltzer]
... Make sure the first link isn't direct to a login form, without instruction to create a free W3C account
15:49:28 [wseltzer]
... start promotion even earlier
15:49:41 [Jemma]
+1 to early promotion
15:50:22 [wseltzer]
... how to fill the gap between payment and reimbursement, worse in times of physical travel costs
15:50:41 [wendyreid]
+1000
15:50:54 [wseltzer]
... or even pre-pay expenses
15:51:05 [tzviya]
ack Jemma
15:51:12 [wseltzer]
Jemma: +1 to tink
15:52:45 [wseltzer]
wseltzer: if we create text for a web page, I can work with comm to get it posted
15:52:50 [wseltzer]
Topic: AOB
15:53:17 [tzviya]
https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/issues/193#issuecomment-961301203
15:53:26 [tzviya]
https://www.w3.org/Guide/process/banning.html
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-> https://github.com/w3c/Guide/commits/main/process/banning.html history
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tzviya: anticipating update to CEPC
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... that will be a lengthy process
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[adjourned]
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meeting: PWE
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chair: Tzviya, liz
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present+
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regrets- tzviya
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