IRC log of wcag-act on 2021-11-04
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- 14:14:50 [kathyeng_]
- wilco: annual review of published rules
- 14:15:06 [kathyeng_]
- ... image has non-empty accessible name is good
- 14:15:41 [kathyeng_]
- ... HTML lang is valid language tag has some changes for it
- 14:16:02 [kathyeng_]
- ... PR #1738 needs to merge
- 14:16:17 [kathyeng_]
- trevor: add me as a reviewer
- 14:16:30 [kathyeng_]
- will: also add me as reviewer
- 14:17:22 [kathyeng_]
- wilco: leave this one open until PR resolved
- 14:17:55 [kathyeng_]
- .. PR #1737 editorial
- 14:18:10 [kathyeng_]
- daniel and trevor: will review
- 14:18:48 [kathyeng_]
- wilco: leave open until PR approved
- 14:19:19 [kathyeng_]
- zakim, take up next
- 14:19:19 [Zakim]
- agendum 2 -- Open ACT pull requests -- taken up [from Wilco_]
- 14:21:14 [kathyeng_]
- wilco: PR 1739 - 2 examples to review
- 14:21:39 [kathyeng_]
- ... add kathy and daniel as reviewers
- 14:23:15 [kathyeng_]
- ... other PRs for CG
- 14:23:20 [kathyeng_]
- zakim, take up next
- 14:23:20 [Zakim]
- agendum 3 -- Rules format update -- taken up [from Wilco_]
- 14:23:51 [Wilco_]
- https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/522
- 14:24:38 [kathyeng_]
- wilco: PR to add definition of implementation to ACT Rules format
- 14:25:00 [kathyeng_]
- ... what a consistent or partial implementation is
- 14:25:54 [kathyeng_]
- wilco: try to match terminology up with VPATs?
- 14:27:04 [kathyeng_]
- ... added more plain language descriptions
- 14:27:34 [kathyeng_]
- will: how do we verify complete?
- 14:29:07 [kathyeng_]
- wilco: what a tool report for rule test cases. do all passed report as passed, failed report as failed
- 14:29:32 [kathyeng_]
- ... partially consistent - a failed example reports as pass
- 14:33:11 [KarenHerr]
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- ... added SC mapping under Complete
- 14:33:15 [KarenHerr]
- present+
- 14:34:22 [kathyeng_]
- trevor: add reasoning and example would be helpful
- 14:35:27 [kathyeng_]
- wilco: of concern is for example, reporting a AA failure and AAA failure
- 14:36:32 [kathyeng_]
- kathy: if not claiming AAA would reporting the AAA failure be necessary?
- 14:36:52 [kathyeng_]
- wilco: drafted statement seems too strict
- 14:38:02 [kathyeng_]
- trevor: how about can report either SC but not more
- 14:39:39 [kathyeng_]
- wilco: or, report only by conformance level
- 14:41:05 [kathyeng_]
- trevor: if we don't have the SC requirement, implementers only need to pass/fail the examples. not sure that is enough
- 14:41:24 [kathyeng_]
- wilco: IBM reports only 1 SC per rule
- 14:41:44 [kathyeng_]
- ... picking the SC they prefer. is that a problem?
- 14:42:32 [kathyeng_]
- karen: some only report the highest severity
- 14:42:40 [kathyeng_]
- ... affects scoring
- 14:42:46 [dmontalvo]
- q+
- 14:43:17 [kathyeng_]
- wilco: it is correct that multiple SCs are applicable
- 14:45:18 [kathyeng_]
- kathy: TT would fail all SCs
- 14:46:12 [kathyeng_]
- karen: let IBM pick the SC. they would need to defend it
- 14:46:29 [kathyeng_]
- wilco: if statement left in, ACT is removing that choice
- 14:47:58 [kathyeng_]
- daniel: see both sides
- 14:48:53 [kathyeng_]
- wilco: if an implementation tests image buttons and text buttons in one procedure, will only report 4.1.2. Need a separate procedures for image buttons
- 14:49:32 [kathyeng_]
- ... SC mapping would constrain implementations
- 14:49:59 [Will_C]
- 0
- 14:50:23 [trevor]
- -1 - think something is needed but this isn't quite right
- 14:50:49 [kathyeng_]
- +1
- 14:51:55 [kathyeng_]
- karen: with trevor
- 14:52:52 [kathyeng_]
- trevor: wants people to show their work, just passing/failing isn't enough
- 14:53:54 [kathyeng_]
- wilco: poll to move forward without SC mapping (line 533)
- 14:55:10 [kathyeng_]
- ... currently not tracking any SC now
- 14:55:17 [kathyeng_]
- trevor: can it be optional?
- 14:57:04 [kathyeng_]
- kathy: without SC mappings we aren't establishing conformance testing consistency
- 14:58:08 [kathyeng_]
- wilco (chair hat off): agree, feel it's important to have for improving consistency
- 15:00:21 [kathyeng_]
- wilco: will try to add more on conformance levels, different standards, example
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