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11:58:54 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
11:59:02 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura
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12:02:10 <kaz> present+ Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura
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12:04:10 <kaz> chair: Sebastian
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12:04:28 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
12:06:39 <kaz> regrets+ Michael_McCool (at least partly)
12:06:57 <kaz> present+ Michael_Lagally
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12:12:00 <Ege> mm: we should talk on the resolutions of the chair changes
12:12:13 <kaz> i/we should/scribenick: Ege/
12:12:21 <kaz> i/we should/topic: Agenda/
12:12:36 <Ege> Topic: Minutes Review
12:12:49 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/10/20-wot-minutes.html Oct-20
12:15:56 <Ege> sk: any objections to publishing the minutes?
12:16:57 <Ege> Topic: Minute Review of F2F
12:17:39 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/10/27-wot-minutes.html Oct-27
12:18:19 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/10/28-wot-minutes.html Oct-28
12:19:38 <Ege> sk: when and where should some of these be reviewed
12:19:49 <Ege> mm: I think only liaison minutes should be reviewed now
12:19:55 <kaz> i/28/(Architecture part will be reviewed during the Architecture call tomorrow on Nov-4; Scripting part will be reviewed on next Monday)/
12:20:30 <kaz> (OPC-UA, etc., will be reviewed during the Use Cases call next Tuesday)
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12:21:24 <mlagally> q+
12:21:25 <kaz> q+
12:21:26 <Ege> Topic: Chair Change
12:21:42 <kaz> ack ml
12:22:07 <kaz> s/Chair Change/Moderator Change/
12:23:55 <Ege> ml: sad to see Ege leave. What are your plans?
12:24:04 <Ege> ege: I will be leaving end of November
12:24:46 <Ege> sk: he will leave to join Siemens so there will be no distruptions in the work
12:25:57 <kaz> s/ml: sad to see Ege leave. What are your plans?//
12:26:11 <kaz> s/ege: I will be leaving end of November//
12:26:26 <kaz> s/sk: he will leave to join Siemens so there will be no distruptions in the work//
12:26:50 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:26:53 <sebastia_> proposal: the group approves that Ege will the new moderator for the Marketing TF
12:26:55 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:26:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:27:19 <sebastia_> resolution: the group approves that Ege will the new moderator for the Marketing TF
12:27:45 <sebastia_> proposal: the group approves that Fady will the new moderator for the Testing TF
12:27:48 <kaz> present+ Fady_Salama
12:28:41 <sebastia_> resolution: the group approves that Fady will the new moderator for the Testing TF
12:29:09 <kaz> s/will/will be/
12:29:12 <kaz> s/will/will be/
12:29:13 <kaz> s/will/will be/
12:29:14 <kaz> s/will/will be/
12:29:21 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:29:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:30:16 <Ege> Topic: Editor's Call Updates
12:30:20 <kaz> s/will be be be be the/will be/
12:30:27 <kaz> s/will the/will be/
12:30:30 <kaz> s/will the/will be/
12:30:31 <kaz> s/will the/will be/
12:30:34 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:30:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:31:08 <kaz> q+
12:31:56 <kaz> ack
12:32:02 <kaz> s/ack//
12:32:07 <kaz> ack k
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12:32:19 <Ege> sk: IoT Interoperability Workshop has deadline next week
12:32:27 <mlagally_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/631
12:32:36 <mlagally_> please review
12:32:58 <mlagally_> s/please review/please review the MR for the precedence rule on terminology/
12:33:10 <kaz> q+
12:34:33 <kaz> q-
12:34:39 <Ege> kaz: I need feedback from W3C regarding the liaison relation about the workshop
12:34:49 <mlagally_> q+
12:36:02 <Ege> mm: I am collaboration with Michael Lagally
12:36:03 <kaz> s/kaz: I need feedback from W3C regarding the liaison relation about the workshop//
12:36:05 <Ege> q+
12:36:14 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:36:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:36:22 <kaz> ack ml
12:36:51 <kaz> i/IoT Interoperability/topic: Events/
12:37:43 <kaz> i/topic: Events/kaz: the main purpose is checking the consistency of all the WoT specs, and also see potential missing descriptions./
12:37:46 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:37:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:38:00 <Ege> ml: it is not a liaison paper
12:38:10 <Ege> ack e
12:38:24 <kaz> i/the main/sk: now being held on Tuesday/
12:38:39 <Ege> sk: any updates from WoT Japanese CG?
12:38:43 <kaz> i/held on Tuesday/scribenick: kaz/
12:38:54 <kaz> i/IoT Inter/scribenick: Ege/
12:38:57 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:38:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:38:59 <Ege> tm: we are discussing the activities of the task forces to brief the participants
12:39:08 <Ege> ... and also their policies
12:39:22 <kaz> q?
12:39:46 <Ege> Topic: Schedule for deliverables
12:40:16 <Ege> sk: here we have the plan. PR 1000 in the w3c/wot repository
12:40:57 <mlagally_> q+
12:41:22 <kaz> i|here we have|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1000 Draft WG 2021 Extension Plan #1000|
12:41:24 <kaz> q?
12:41:42 <Ege> sk: we have to sort of publish FPWD by January 13 in order to meet the deadlines
12:42:10 <kaz> q+
12:42:14 <Ege> sk: freezing profile by Jan 31
12:42:27 <Ege> q+
12:42:38 <Ege> sk: and testfest by mid february
12:43:10 <kaz> ack ml
12:43:25 <Ege> ml: really good to have a concrete plans. There are some open questions
12:43:36 <Ege> ml: what is the plan with the architecture spec
12:44:05 <Ege> ml: architecture should also have a feature freeze by Jan 31
12:44:28 <kaz> ack ege
12:44:48 <kaz> qq+ McCool
12:44:53 <kaz> q- mc
12:45:58 <Ege> sk: since there is no need to test, we can have it later than december
12:46:16 <Ege> ml: end of january would be ok
12:46:31 <Ege> ek: we can do it much later, no need to do any tests
12:47:29 <kaz> q?
12:48:06 <Ege> ml: how about the note documents from the task forces
12:49:20 <Ege> sk: we can have them in end of april>
12:50:00 <Ege> kaz: we do not have to put the notes in this schedule plan
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12:51:05 <Ege> kaz: don't we want to test the architecture specification this time?
12:51:18 <Ege> ml: we want to have an implementation report
12:51:32 <Ege> mm: mostly manual assertions and implementation descriptions
12:53:29 <Ege> q+
12:53:40 <sebastia_> ack k
12:53:57 <Ege> kaz: isn't there dependencies between profile and architecture?
12:54:06 <Ege> ml: yes. Also between td and architecture
12:54:48 <Ege> kaz: do you want to add further features to your specifications
12:57:10 <kaz> q?
12:57:15 <kaz> ack e
12:57:18 <kaz> q+
12:58:43 <Ege> q+
12:59:56 <Ege> sk: if we have restrictions or dependencies between architecture and other specifications, it is not good
13:00:47 <Ege> ek: sadly, there is such dependencies between TD and Architecture. And mistakes that do not align with the TD
13:00:53 <Ege> ml: we should not call these mistakes
13:02:57 <kaz> (we're getting out of time but Kaz suggests we continue this discussion)
13:03:57 <Ege> ml: maybe some misalignments that need to be formulated
13:04:08 <kaz> q?
13:04:24 <Ege> ack e
13:04:40 <sebastia_> q+
13:05:24 <Ege> kaz; we have a time problem. If michael mccool and ege does not have any concrete topics, we can continue discussion now in this call
13:05:35 <Ege> ege: I have some points but they can be short
13:06:20 <Ege> mm: we should decide what should be in the 1.1 specifications
13:07:50 <Ege> kaz: this should be step 0
13:07:59 <Ege> sk: (adds step 0 to the extension plan)
13:08:47 <Ege> kaz: do you plan to have new features/changes in the architecture specification
13:09:31 <Ege> ml: the text is mostly informative
13:10:01 <Ege> kaz: Informative changes are also possible
13:10:09 <Ege> ml: the spec is stable since months
13:11:05 <Ege> ml: the step 0 should be about the normative changes
13:14:27 <Ege> kaz: we also have the PING review
13:14:34 <Ege> sk: TAG review also happens right?
13:14:45 <Ege> mm: I put the 2 months padding because of this
13:16:11 <kaz> s/TAG/Wide Review including TAG, Accessibility, Privacy, Security and Internationalization/
13:16:34 <kaz> s/Wide Review including TAG, Accessibility, Privacy, Security and Internationalization/TAG/
13:16:42 <kaz> s/PING review/Wide Reviews/
13:17:18 <kaz> i/I put/(Wide Review includes TAG, Accessibility, Privacy, Security and Internationalization)/
13:18:33 <Ege> q+
13:18:46 <kaz> ack k
13:19:00 <sebastia_> ack s
13:20:22 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/Guide/documentreview/ Wide Review Guideline
13:21:04 <kaz> q?
13:21:10 <kaz> ack e
13:21:14 <Ege> q+
13:21:19 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:21:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:24:54 <kaz> q+
13:24:56 <Ege> ege: I would like to see implementations first before going with a feature freeze
13:24:58 <Ege> acke
13:25:00 <Ege> ack e
13:25:06 <kaz> s/acke//
13:27:36 <Ege> ml: ben francis has said that he has implementations and that these are easy to implement
13:28:18 <kaz> ack k
13:28:22 <Ege> ege: I still think that we need some implementation experience
13:28:32 <Ege> mm: we don't have to have automatic testing
13:28:48 <Ege> ege: my concern is not about automatic testing but implementability of the specification
13:28:59 <kaz> kaz: we should discuss new features including Ben's proposals during the step 0 in the updated wg-2021-extension-plan.md
13:29:14 <Ege> ml: about point 1. What do we rollback?
13:29:21 <Ege> ... is there a tag/label?
13:29:56 <kaz> q?
13:30:41 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1243
13:33:42 <sebastia_> proposal: group approves about the WG Charter extension plans as described in the PR https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1000
13:34:15 <Ege> ege: we need to define what it means to be backwards compatible
13:34:42 <sebastia_> resolution: group approves the WG Charter extension plans as described in the PR https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1000
13:35:00 <kaz> q+
13:36:19 <kaz> ack k
13:36:29 <kaz> topic: IG Charter updates
13:37:06 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/986 IG Charter updates based on W3M review #986
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13:39:17 <sebastia_> I need to go
13:40:28 <kaz> mm: need some more clarification
13:40:40 <kaz> kaz: ok. will get back to the W3M based on the current status.
13:40:56 <kaz> [main call adjourned]
13:41:05 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:41:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:53:09 <Ege> oh I forgot to take minutes
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