IRC log of wot on 2021-11-03
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- 11:58:48 [RRSAgent]
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/11/03-wot-irc
- 11:58:54 [kaz]
- meeting: WoT-IG/WG
- 11:59:02 [kaz]
- present+ Kaz_Ashimura
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- present+ Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura
- 12:03:54 [kaz]
- present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
- 12:04:10 [kaz]
- chair: Sebastian
- 12:04:19 [ryuichi]
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- 12:04:28 [kaz]
- present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
- 12:06:39 [kaz]
- regrets+ Michael_McCool (at least partly)
- 12:06:57 [kaz]
- present+ Michael_Lagally
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- present+ Michael_Koster
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- present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda
- 12:09:05 [kaz]
- present+ Michael_McCool
- 12:09:27 [Ege]
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- 12:12:00 [Ege]
- mm: we should talk on the resolutions of the chair changes
- 12:12:13 [kaz]
- i/we should/scribenick: Ege/
- 12:12:21 [kaz]
- i/we should/topic: Agenda/
- 12:12:36 [Ege]
- Topic: Minutes Review
- 12:12:49 [kaz]
- -> https://www.w3.org/2021/10/20-wot-minutes.html Oct-20
- 12:15:56 [Ege]
- sk: any objections to publishing the minutes?
- 12:16:57 [Ege]
- Topic: Minute Review of F2F
- 12:17:39 [kaz]
- -> https://www.w3.org/2021/10/27-wot-minutes.html Oct-27
- 12:18:19 [kaz]
- -> https://www.w3.org/2021/10/28-wot-minutes.html Oct-28
- 12:19:38 [Ege]
- sk: when and where should some of these be reviewed
- 12:19:49 [Ege]
- mm: I think only liaison minutes should be reviewed now
- 12:19:55 [kaz]
- i/28/(Architecture part will be reviewed during the Architecture call tomorrow on Nov-4; Scripting part will be reviewed on next Monday)/
- 12:20:30 [kaz]
- (OPC-UA, etc., will be reviewed during the Use Cases call next Tuesday)
- 12:21:07 [mlagally]
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- q+
- 12:21:25 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:21:26 [Ege]
- Topic: Chair Change
- 12:21:42 [kaz]
- ack ml
- 12:22:07 [kaz]
- s/Chair Change/Moderator Change/
- 12:23:55 [Ege]
- ml: sad to see Ege leave. What are your plans?
- 12:24:04 [Ege]
- ege: I will be leaving end of November
- 12:24:46 [Ege]
- sk: he will leave to join Siemens so there will be no distruptions in the work
- 12:25:57 [kaz]
- s/ml: sad to see Ege leave. What are your plans?//
- 12:26:11 [kaz]
- s/ege: I will be leaving end of November//
- 12:26:26 [kaz]
- s/sk: he will leave to join Siemens so there will be no distruptions in the work//
- 12:26:50 [kaz]
- rrsagent, make log public
- 12:26:53 [sebastia_]
- proposal: the group approves that Ege will the new moderator for the Marketing TF
- 12:26:55 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 12:26:55 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:27:19 [sebastia_]
- resolution: the group approves that Ege will the new moderator for the Marketing TF
- 12:27:45 [sebastia_]
- proposal: the group approves that Fady will the new moderator for the Testing TF
- 12:27:48 [kaz]
- present+ Fady_Salama
- 12:28:41 [sebastia_]
- resolution: the group approves that Fady will the new moderator for the Testing TF
- 12:29:09 [kaz]
- s/will/will be/
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- s/will/will be/
- 12:29:13 [kaz]
- s/will/will be/
- 12:29:14 [kaz]
- s/will/will be/
- 12:29:21 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 12:29:21 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:30:16 [Ege]
- Topic: Editor's Call Updates
- 12:30:20 [kaz]
- s/will be be be be the/will be/
- 12:30:27 [kaz]
- s/will the/will be/
- 12:30:30 [kaz]
- s/will the/will be/
- 12:30:31 [kaz]
- s/will the/will be/
- 12:30:34 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:31:08 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:31:56 [kaz]
- ack
- 12:32:02 [kaz]
- s/ack//
- 12:32:07 [kaz]
- ack k
- 12:32:15 [mlagally_]
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- 12:32:19 [Ege]
- sk: IoT Interoperability Workshop has deadline next week
- 12:32:27 [mlagally_]
- https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/631
- 12:32:36 [mlagally_]
- please review
- 12:32:58 [mlagally_]
- s/please review/please review the MR for the precedence rule on terminology/
- 12:33:10 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:34:33 [kaz]
- q-
- 12:34:39 [Ege]
- kaz: I need feedback from W3C regarding the liaison relation about the workshop
- 12:34:49 [mlagally_]
- q+
- 12:36:02 [Ege]
- mm: I am collaboration with Michael Lagally
- 12:36:03 [kaz]
- s/kaz: I need feedback from W3C regarding the liaison relation about the workshop//
- 12:36:05 [Ege]
- q+
- 12:36:14 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 12:36:14 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:36:22 [kaz]
- ack ml
- 12:36:51 [kaz]
- i/IoT Interoperability/topic: Events/
- 12:37:43 [kaz]
- i/topic: Events/kaz: the main purpose is checking the consistency of all the WoT specs, and also see potential missing descriptions./
- 12:37:46 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:38:00 [Ege]
- ml: it is not a liaison paper
- 12:38:10 [Ege]
- ack e
- 12:38:24 [kaz]
- i/the main/sk: now being held on Tuesday/
- 12:38:39 [Ege]
- sk: any updates from WoT Japanese CG?
- 12:38:43 [kaz]
- i/held on Tuesday/scribenick: kaz/
- 12:38:54 [kaz]
- i/IoT Inter/scribenick: Ege/
- 12:38:57 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 12:38:59 [Ege]
- tm: we are discussing the activities of the task forces to brief the participants
- 12:39:08 [Ege]
- ... and also their policies
- 12:39:22 [kaz]
- q?
- 12:39:46 [Ege]
- Topic: Schedule for deliverables
- 12:40:16 [Ege]
- sk: here we have the plan. PR 1000 in the w3c/wot repository
- 12:40:57 [mlagally_]
- q+
- 12:41:22 [kaz]
- i|here we have|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1000 Draft WG 2021 Extension Plan #1000|
- 12:41:24 [kaz]
- q?
- 12:41:42 [Ege]
- sk: we have to sort of publish FPWD by January 13 in order to meet the deadlines
- 12:42:10 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:42:14 [Ege]
- sk: freezing profile by Jan 31
- 12:42:27 [Ege]
- q+
- 12:42:38 [Ege]
- sk: and testfest by mid february
- 12:43:10 [kaz]
- ack ml
- 12:43:25 [Ege]
- ml: really good to have a concrete plans. There are some open questions
- 12:43:36 [Ege]
- ml: what is the plan with the architecture spec
- 12:44:05 [Ege]
- ml: architecture should also have a feature freeze by Jan 31
- 12:44:28 [kaz]
- ack ege
- 12:44:48 [kaz]
- qq+ McCool
- 12:44:53 [kaz]
- q- mc
- 12:45:58 [Ege]
- sk: since there is no need to test, we can have it later than december
- 12:46:16 [Ege]
- ml: end of january would be ok
- 12:46:31 [Ege]
- ek: we can do it much later, no need to do any tests
- 12:47:29 [kaz]
- q?
- 12:48:06 [Ege]
- ml: how about the note documents from the task forces
- 12:49:20 [Ege]
- sk: we can have them in end of april>
- 12:50:00 [Ege]
- kaz: we do not have to put the notes in this schedule plan
- 12:50:28 [mjk]
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- 12:51:05 [Ege]
- kaz: don't we want to test the architecture specification this time?
- 12:51:18 [Ege]
- ml: we want to have an implementation report
- 12:51:32 [Ege]
- mm: mostly manual assertions and implementation descriptions
- 12:53:29 [Ege]
- q+
- 12:53:40 [sebastia_]
- ack k
- 12:53:57 [Ege]
- kaz: isn't there dependencies between profile and architecture?
- 12:54:06 [Ege]
- ml: yes. Also between td and architecture
- 12:54:48 [Ege]
- kaz: do you want to add further features to your specifications
- 12:57:10 [kaz]
- q?
- 12:57:15 [kaz]
- ack e
- 12:57:18 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:58:43 [Ege]
- q+
- 12:59:56 [Ege]
- sk: if we have restrictions or dependencies between architecture and other specifications, it is not good
- 13:00:47 [Ege]
- ek: sadly, there is such dependencies between TD and Architecture. And mistakes that do not align with the TD
- 13:00:53 [Ege]
- ml: we should not call these mistakes
- 13:02:57 [kaz]
- (we're getting out of time but Kaz suggests we continue this discussion)
- 13:03:57 [Ege]
- ml: maybe some misalignments that need to be formulated
- 13:04:08 [kaz]
- q?
- 13:04:24 [Ege]
- ack e
- 13:04:40 [sebastia_]
- q+
- 13:05:24 [Ege]
- kaz; we have a time problem. If michael mccool and ege does not have any concrete topics, we can continue discussion now in this call
- 13:05:35 [Ege]
- ege: I have some points but they can be short
- 13:06:20 [Ege]
- mm: we should decide what should be in the 1.1 specifications
- 13:07:50 [Ege]
- kaz: this should be step 0
- 13:07:59 [Ege]
- sk: (adds step 0 to the extension plan)
- 13:08:47 [Ege]
- kaz: do you plan to have new features/changes in the architecture specification
- 13:09:31 [Ege]
- ml: the text is mostly informative
- 13:10:01 [Ege]
- kaz: Informative changes are also possible
- 13:10:09 [Ege]
- ml: the spec is stable since months
- 13:11:05 [Ege]
- ml: the step 0 should be about the normative changes
- 13:14:27 [Ege]
- kaz: we also have the PING review
- 13:14:34 [Ege]
- sk: TAG review also happens right?
- 13:14:45 [Ege]
- mm: I put the 2 months padding because of this
- 13:16:11 [kaz]
- s/TAG/Wide Review including TAG, Accessibility, Privacy, Security and Internationalization/
- 13:16:34 [kaz]
- s/Wide Review including TAG, Accessibility, Privacy, Security and Internationalization/TAG/
- 13:16:42 [kaz]
- s/PING review/Wide Reviews/
- 13:17:18 [kaz]
- i/I put/(Wide Review includes TAG, Accessibility, Privacy, Security and Internationalization)/
- 13:18:33 [Ege]
- q+
- 13:18:46 [kaz]
- ack k
- 13:19:00 [sebastia_]
- ack s
- 13:20:22 [kaz]
- -> https://www.w3.org/Guide/documentreview/ Wide Review Guideline
- 13:21:04 [kaz]
- q?
- 13:21:10 [kaz]
- ack e
- 13:21:14 [Ege]
- q+
- 13:21:19 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 13:24:54 [kaz]
- q+
- 13:24:56 [Ege]
- ege: I would like to see implementations first before going with a feature freeze
- 13:24:58 [Ege]
- acke
- 13:25:00 [Ege]
- ack e
- 13:25:06 [kaz]
- s/acke//
- 13:27:36 [Ege]
- ml: ben francis has said that he has implementations and that these are easy to implement
- 13:28:18 [kaz]
- ack k
- 13:28:22 [Ege]
- ege: I still think that we need some implementation experience
- 13:28:32 [Ege]
- mm: we don't have to have automatic testing
- 13:28:48 [Ege]
- ege: my concern is not about automatic testing but implementability of the specification
- 13:28:59 [kaz]
- kaz: we should discuss new features including Ben's proposals during the step 0 in the updated wg-2021-extension-plan.md
- 13:29:14 [Ege]
- ml: about point 1. What do we rollback?
- 13:29:21 [Ege]
- ... is there a tag/label?
- 13:29:56 [kaz]
- q?
- 13:30:41 [Ege]
- https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1243
- 13:33:42 [sebastia_]
- proposal: group approves about the WG Charter extension plans as described in the PR https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1000
- 13:34:15 [Ege]
- ege: we need to define what it means to be backwards compatible
- 13:34:42 [sebastia_]
- resolution: group approves the WG Charter extension plans as described in the PR https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1000
- 13:35:00 [kaz]
- q+
- 13:36:19 [kaz]
- ack k
- 13:36:29 [kaz]
- topic: IG Charter updates
- 13:37:06 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/986 IG Charter updates based on W3M review #986
- 13:39:17 [stevelee]
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- I need to go
- 13:40:28 [kaz]
- mm: need some more clarification
- 13:40:40 [kaz]
- kaz: ok. will get back to the W3M based on the current status.
- 13:40:56 [kaz]
- [main call adjourned]
- 13:41:05 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 13:53:09 [Ege]
- oh I forgot to take minutes
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