IRC log of aria-apg on 2021-11-02

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MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force
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HAIR: Jemma
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CHAIR: Jemma
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https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/November-2%2C-2021-Agenda
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18:04:16 [Jemma]
Topic:https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1814#issuecomment-954708336
18:04:28 [Rich_Noah]
Matt_King: we will start going down the issue list.
18:05:03 [Rich_Noah]
Matt_King: I believe PR #1814 is done.
18:05:31 [Rich_Noah]
Jemma: I checked Hi Contrast on PC & Mac. It looks fine.
18:05:45 [Rich_Noah]
Matt_King: we should raise an issue for the visual design
18:06:03 [Rich_Noah]
Jemma: can anyone give a comment on my visual review.
18:06:06 [Jemma]
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1814#issuecomment-957008214
18:06:49 [Jemma]
Topic: Pull Request #1869: Set aria selected to active tree view item by kdoberst · w3c/aria-practices
18:07:16 [Rich_Noah]
Matt_King: I am confused about this PR and why are we doing this? Do we want to make this change?
18:08:41 [Rich_Noah]
zcorpan: we shouldn't make the change if it is not required.
18:08:47 [Jemma]
original issue https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/1680
18:09:25 [Rich_Noah]
sarah_higley: we could change wording or call it a selection thing but only if we add visual style.
18:09:52 [Rich_Noah]
sarah_higley: the current wording implies selection
18:10:16 [Jemma]
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1869
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18:12:48 [Rich_Noah]
Matt_King: this is a pretty old issue but I believe we could write a response in that issue.
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18:20:18 [Rich_Noah]
Matt_King: i will revisit this myself and comment to propose the future direction.
18:20:28 [Rich_Noah]
Jemma: thank you Simon for your work
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Matt_King: This is now more editorial than anything else
18:21:06 [Rich_Noah]
zcorpan: I can look at the regression tests tomorrow
18:21:06 [Jemma]
Topic: Issue #1267: Combobox Examples: Make compatible with touch-based screen readers · w3c/aria-practices
18:22:00 [Jemma]
Topic: Issue #756: Alert Dialog Example: Is disappearing toaster alert WCAG compliant? · w3c/aria-practices
18:22:01 [Rich_Noah]
Matt_King: so issue 1267 only needs a code review
18:22:49 [Rich_Noah]
zcorpan: the PR is already reviewed and merged.
18:22:53 [zcorpan]
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2086
18:23:48 [zcorpan]
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/756
18:26:34 [Jemma]
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/756#issuecomment-957037176
18:28:15 [Rich_Noah]
sarah_higley: have the message be close to the action. have the check mark persist until you change it.
18:28:41 [Rich_Noah]
sarah_higley: a separate message so no timing issues
18:29:14 [Rich_Noah]
Jemma: possible note a message above the button
18:29:44 [Rich_Noah]
sarah_higley: it would be on the button itself
18:31:13 [Rich_Noah]
Matt_King: I am thinking about what the accessible name would sound like. I am thinking a check mark on a button would be hard to announce.
18:31:24 [Jemma]
<div role="alert" id="alert_toast" class="toast hidden">Saved</div>
18:32:05 [Rich_Noah]
Matt_King: it feels more understandable if we separate the button from the status.
18:32:54 [Rich_Noah]
zcorpan: should this be a live region?
18:34:19 [Rich_Noah]
Matt_King: we would probably use role alert on the hidden message. It might create double speaking on some screen readers.
18:35:01 [Rich_Noah]
Jemma: do you want to work on this for the milestone?
18:35:18 [Rich_Noah]
Matt_King: if Howard or Simon have time to work in this it would be great.
18:36:14 [Rich_Noah]
Matt_King: the off screen element in the dom order prior to the save button
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zcorpan: why do we want it to use aria-describedby
18:37:07 [Rich_Noah]
Matt_King: we don't have a screen reader equivalent to the icon
18:37:29 [Rich_Noah]
zcorpan: yes, this seems like a good change
18:37:46 [Rich_Noah]
Jemma: I left some notes on the issue and assigned it to you Simon.
18:38:43 [Rich_Noah]
topic: Issue #894: Bug in example menu-button/menu-button-actions-active-descendant.html: tabindex · w3c/aria-practices
18:38:55 [Rich_Noah]
Matt_King: I am going to close that right now, it is done.
18:39:59 [Jemma]
topic: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2071
18:40:14 [Jemma]
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2071#issuecomment-955813347
18:41:07 [Rich_Noah]
zcorpan: I looked at the PR and the comments and it seemed like a lot to dive into. Does someone have any suggestions?
18:41:32 [Rich_Noah]
Matt_King: I feel like this is going to be a lot of brain work to do in the coming weeks. I want to focus on closing bugs.
18:42:31 [Rich_Noah]
Matt_King: I do think we could get this into the editor's draft prior to the end of the year.
18:42:55 [Rich_Noah]
zcorpan: should we merge 2071 as is and treat the change as a follow up?
18:44:16 [Rich_Noah]
Matt_King: I will consider that option. I want to be careful we don't give guidance to cause people to do things they shouldn't do or not be in line with current practice. I will re-read it with the idea of what can be done minimally.
18:44:36 [Rich_Noah]
Matt_King: James and Sarah this might be a good one for you to read.
18:45:00 [Rich_Noah]
Jemma: can you share the guidance Matt?
18:46:14 [Rich_Noah]
Matt_King: the difference between focus and selection is the biggest misunderstanding. I am thinking about adding the section and selection.
18:46:44 [Rich_Noah]
Matt_King: we haven't really explained clearly the difference between focus and selection.
18:47:54 [Jemma]
Topic: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/milestone/2
18:48:32 [zcorpan]
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1895
18:48:41 [Rich_Noah]
Matt_King https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1895 Jon are you able to take care of this?
18:49:03 [Rich_Noah]
jongund: is this a formatting issue primarily?
18:49:10 [Jemma]
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1895
18:49:28 [Jemma]
This doesn't follow https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/Code-Guide#prefixed-properties
18:51:31 [Jemma]
just simple linting issue
18:53:03 [Rich_Noah]
Jemma: do we agree on removing the prefix property for now?
18:53:33 [Rich_Noah]
Matt_King: if we can say don't use the vendor prefix unless there is a reason.
18:53:55 [Rich_Noah]
Matt_King: Jon can you check to see if it is needed for some reason.
18:54:10 [zcorpan]
https://caniuse.com/?search=user-select
18:54:57 [Jemma]
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1876
18:55:37 [Rich_Noah]
Matt_King: Jon if you could you provide a review on howard's work.
18:55:55 [Jemma]
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1834
18:59:12 [Rich_Noah]
Matt_King: Jemma can you help on https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1870?
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