IRC log of wot on 2021-10-27

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rrsagent, bye
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I see no action items
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logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/10/27-wot-irc
11:53:07 [kaz]
meeting: WoT vF2F in October - Day 4
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present+ Kaz_Ashimura
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rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/27-wot-minutes.html kaz
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chair: Sebastian, McCool
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present+ Michael_McCool, Takio_Yamaoka
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present+ Peter_Bruhn_Andersen
12:01:03 [kaz]
-> https://www.w3.org/Consortium/Patent-Policy-20170801/ W3C Patent Policy
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present+ Michael_Lagally
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present+ Kunihiko_Toumura
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present+ Fady_Salama
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present+ Ege_Korkan
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present+ Ari_Keranen
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present+ Daniel_Peintner
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zakim, who is on the call?
12:03:53 [Zakim]
Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Takio_Yamaoka, Peter_Bruhn_Andersen, Michael_Lagally, Kunihiko_Toumura, Fady_Salama, Ege_Korkan, Ari_Keranen, Daniel_Peintner
12:04:12 [kaz]
present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
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present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
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present+ Albrecht_Schwarz
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present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
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topic: Agenda
12:07:37 [kaz]
-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_October_2021#Oct_27 Oct-27
12:07:45 [kaz]
@@@Sebastian's slides
12:08:35 [kaz]
s|@@@Sebastian's slides|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/PRESENTATIONS/2021-10-online-f2f/2021-10-27-WoT-F2F-Opening-Kaebisch.pdf Sebastian's slides|
12:09:10 [kaz]
sk: scribe: Sebastian and @@@
12:09:14 [kaz]
present+ Michael_Koster
12:09:21 [Ege]
me, daniel, fady took minutes
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s/@@@/Cristiano/
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sk: Architeture, Profile, (break), Scripting API, Marketing and Wrap-up
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... any guest today?
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as: Albrecht Schwarz
12:10:43 [kaz]
-> https://www.w3.org/Consortium/Patent-Policy-20170801/ W3C Patent Policy
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q+
12:11:40 [kaz]
sk: please be aware of the W3C Patent Policy
12:12:00 [kaz]
... note that everything will be published publicly
12:12:18 [kaz]
... so confidential information should not be shared during this call
12:12:25 [kaz]
as: agree
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ack k
12:13:09 [kaz]
sk: next
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... we're using IRC for taking notes
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... also use q+ / q- to manage the speaker queue
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q+ ka
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q- ka
12:14:10 [kaz]
... resources
12:14:34 [kaz]
... wiki page here https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_October_2021
12:14:52 [kaz]
... presentations available at https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/main/PRESENTATIONS/2021-10-online-f2f
12:14:55 [sebastian]
q?
12:15:10 [kaz]
... and then would like Lagally to take over the moderator role
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scribenick: sebastian
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topic: Architecture and Profiles
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@@@ Lagally's slides
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present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura, Zoltan_Kis
12:17:45 [sebastian]
ML: shows the agenda for architecture and profile
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... architecture is responsible for the abstract architecture and interoperabiity profiles for WoT
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... thanks to the contributors of the Arch and Profile document
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... Arch specifies the abstract architecture, terminology and building blocks of WoT
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present+ Takashi_Minamii
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... <shows toc of Arch document>
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/27-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:22:20 [sebastian]
... <shows toc of Profile document>
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i/Sebastian and Cristiano/scribenick: kaz/
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/27-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:22:57 [McCool]
(it occurs to me that if these are just ed drafts, we need to have a FPWD by Jan 13!)
12:23:02 [sebastian]
ML: lets go to the Arch. document
12:23:23 [sebastian]
... currently working on terminology alignment
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... some specifications have their own terminology section, need to align and move common definitions to architecture
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q+
12:25:07 [Ege]
sorry for skipping the queue sebastian
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no problem
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q+
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ack s
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sk: we had similar discussion before
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... we made the terminology section informative
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qq+
12:27:15 [sebastian]
I remember that PHL recommended to have terminology non-normative, however, I cannot remember what was the reason
12:27:51 [mjk]
q?
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ack k
12:27:56 [Zakim]
kaz, you wanted to react to sebastian
12:28:16 [sebastian]
Kaz: Terminology section have no nomative assertions. Personally I do not see the motivation to make it normative
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q?
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12:29:39 [McCool]
(I plan to mention the schedule constraint; we need to do all FPWD's by Nov 25 to hit CR by March 17)
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kaz, you wanted to react to Ege
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ack m
12:30:26 [sebastian]
Ege: If the termonology section is normative, it does not prevent disalignment.
12:31:27 [sebastian]
ML: thats right
12:31:38 [sebastian]
MM: I do not have a hard opionen of that.
12:31:45 [kaz]
i/I do not/kaz: yeah, so from my viewpoint, what is important is not whether the terminology is normative or not, but the alignment itself/
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q?
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present+ David_Ezell
12:32:18 [McCool]
(never mind, it seems both Arch and Profiles have had FPWDs already)
12:32:23 [sebastian]
ML: another work is on protocol bindings
12:33:05 [kaz]
present+ Jennifer_Strickland
12:33:06 [sebastian]
... introduction section needs an update
12:33:52 [sebastian]
... there also some places with editorial notes that announce additional content
12:34:16 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/27-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:34:22 [sebastian]
ML: next steps would to work on implementation report, ...
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s/would/would be/
12:35:24 [sebastian]
ML: regarding publication schedule it is planned to dreeze the features Jan 31, 2022
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s/dreeze/freeze
12:35:37 [kaz]
present+ Tomoya_Asai
12:35:55 [sebastian]
... we expect to have the charter extension
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q?
12:36:12 [sebastian]
MK: thats about the architecture TF
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s/MK:/ML:/
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q?
12:37:06 [sebastian]
kaz thanks
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q+
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ack m
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q?
12:38:15 [sebastian]
MM: we should focus on Profile
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ML: <gives an overview of the open issues in the Arch repo>
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https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues
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q+
12:40:36 [sebastian]
ML: we need to take care on accessibility
12:40:46 [sebastian]
its important when it comes to TAG review
12:41:00 [sebastian]
MM: we should be also check internationalization
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s/be/
12:42:15 [sebastian]
ML: I will create a issue that take care of it
12:42:44 [kaz]
-> https://www.w3.org/Guide/documentreview/ How to do Wide Review
12:43:20 [sebastian]
Kaz: there is a guideline about the document review. We should follow it
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q?
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ack k
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ML: <creates an issue about group wide review>
12:45:31 [sebastian]
topic: WoT Profile
12:45:45 [sebastian]
ML: what is a WoT Profile?
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... normative subset of WoT TD with a normative binding
12:47:39 [sebastian]
... <shows some drawings in the slides>
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q+
12:49:08 [kaz]
s/topic: Architecture and Profiles/topic: Architecture/
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/27-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:49:36 [sebastian]
just for clearification: profile do not develop specific binding like http, it simple reuse existing definition
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s/definition/definitions
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ML: <shows use cases as drawing>
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q+
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... important use case is the "out of the box interoperability" use case
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q+
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q+
12:55:36 [sebastian]
Ege: there is a problem with the "out of the box interoperability", even http is not interoperability since everyone can use in own style
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s/use/use it
12:56:01 [kaz]
s/not interoperability/not interoperable/
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q?
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q+
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ack m
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present+ Leigh_Anne_Mazure
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ack e
13:01:49 [sebastian]
Kaz: W3C does not provide a certification for interoperability.
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s/interoperability./interoperability, but we can and should explain what is expected for WoT interoperability./
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... we can provide a minimum set of requriments
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q?
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s/requirements/requirements. Also from my viewpoint, what kind of vocabulary to be used for what kind of industry area is another important point for interoperability./
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present+ Riaz_Aimandi
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/27-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:06:01 [sebastian]
ML: There are some core requirements such as for data model and protocol binding
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s/requriments/requirements. Also from my viewpoint, what kind of vocabulary to be used for what kind of industry area is another important point for interoperability./
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/27-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:09:05 [sebastian]
q+
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ack s
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there is not a 'common' data model
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ML: right, I will change this to 'restricted'
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q+
13:12:25 [sebastian]
ML: currently there is work on the baseline for HTTP binding, identifying constraints and rules on the data model
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... inambiguous interaction semantics
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... constraints on payload formats
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.. protocol binding semantics
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... best practice security requirements
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... compliance
13:15:37 [McCool]
https://github.com/w3c/wot-security-best-practices
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general guidelines and considerations are here: https://github.com/w3c/wot-security
13:16:26 [sebastian]
ML: there are open issues in the data model sections like about the data model constraints
13:16:44 [McCool]
my suggestion is to lean heavily on the security-best-practices doc, which is currently being updated
13:17:15 [McCool]
but even so we will have to define at least two contexts, because of the annoying situation with TLS on LANs
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q?
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ack m
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ML: regarding eventing model there is a 'Push' proposal
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q+
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q+
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present+ Philipp_Blum
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ML: Webhooks are used in many solutions like in github, paypal, atlassian and wordpress
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q+
13:26:04 [sebastian]
Ege: we have no imlementations of webhooks in the testfest so far
13:26:48 [sebastian]
... we should also check what is implemented in OpenHub as example
13:27:28 [sebastian]
ML: there is the chance to have this in the Oracle binding
13:27:44 [sebastian]
Daniel: I think, this is not the case. But Im not 100% sure
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ack k
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ack m
13:29:37 [sebastian]
Kaz: Im agree with Ege. We should involve ECHONET, NHK, Netzo etc. in the discussion and ask them for opinion
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s/Im agree with Ege/I partly agree with Ege's points/
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s/involve/ask WoT implementers about their approaches, e.g., /
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s/Netzo etc./Takenaka and Netzo./
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q+
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s/ in the discussion and ask them for opinion//
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q?
13:32:04 [sebastian]
ML: introduces Cloud Events
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... is a specification for describing event data in common way
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q+
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/27-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:34:29 [sebastian]
MM: Im wondering if this implementable for the profile on time?
13:34:40 [kaz]
q+ to suggest we concentrate on the current features
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q?
13:34:44 [sebastian]
ML: for Oracle it would be important
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q+
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ack mc
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q+
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sk: want to ask about the Cloud Events
13:39:09 [kaz]
... is that a standard or de facto?
13:39:21 [kaz]
ml: pretty small specification
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@@@link
13:39:44 [mlagally]
https://cloudevents.io/
13:39:58 [kaz]
pb: it's run by the Linux Foundation
13:40:02 [McCool]
(cloudevents is typical of "cloud" standards; someone publishes something, but is there an SDO? Not necessarily...)
13:40:19 [kaz]
ask
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s/ask//
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ack s
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sk: any experience?
13:40:36 [McCool]
(but if enough people use it... it's a "standard")
13:40:45 [kaz]
ml: my colleague is working
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qq+ ege
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ack ege
13:40:59 [Zakim]
ege, you wanted to react to sebastian
13:41:19 [kaz]
ml: we have to work on the detail separately
13:41:30 [kaz]
ack k
13:41:30 [Zakim]
kaz, you wanted to suggest we concentrate on the current features
13:43:01 [sebastian]
Kaz: I'm wondering of the next step of the profile based on the provided MM schedule plans. I think it make sense to consider this for the next version
13:44:05 [kaz]
s/version/version. A possibility is our going for Living Standards instead of RECs so that we can add any necessary features whenever we want but that would be a bigger question./
13:44:13 [kaz]
q?
13:44:17 [sebastian]
ML: we should plan this in the 1.0 release
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s/1.0/current/
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q+
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s/next version/next version. We can start initial survey in parallel, though./
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q?
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ack d
13:46:38 [sebastian]
Daniel: i think its quite late for considering webhook and cloud events
13:46:40 [McCool]
q?
13:47:08 [sebastian]
... I like to understand what is the consequences when we put those in?
13:47:38 [sebastian]
MM: we plan to have tests fest Mid February
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s/tests fest/testfest
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q?
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ack cit
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q+
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q+
13:49:12 [sebastian]
Philipp: we had a simple discussion with SenML
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/27-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:49:27 [sebastian]
.. there was many discussion about this like the structure
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s/many/much/
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s/this like the/this kind of/
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i/want to ask/scribenick: kaz/
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i/I'm wondering of/scribenick: sebastian/
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/27-wot-minutes.html kaz
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q?
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qq+ Ege
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ack ege
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Ege, you wanted to react to citrullin
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ack s
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sk: our discussion on SenML was mainly about the payload structure
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(time check...)
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pb: how to integrate it with TD
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q?
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ack e
13:53:38 [Ege]
ah sorry I remember now what I wanted to really ask
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q+
13:54:30 [sebastian]
ML: the next steps are the push mechanism, rework data mode, implementation report, compliance section, authentication and securiry, uncioorate PlufFest findings
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s/mode/model
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s/NHK,/NHK, the other Plugfest participants, /
13:55:30 [sebastian]
ML: future work will cover other protocols like MQTT, ECHONET Lite, OPC-UA
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/27-wot-minutes.html kaz
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q?
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s/@@@link//
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qq+ McCool
13:55:58 [sebastian]
... provide requirements for TD 2.0
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ack M
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McCool, you wanted to react to Ege
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i/our discussion on SenML/scribenick: kaz/
13:56:37 [sebastian]
ML: Publication schedule is to freeze Jan 31, 2022
13:56:38 [kaz]
i/the next steps are/scribenick: sebastian/
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/27-wot-minutes.html kaz
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ack e
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[10-min break; then Scripting API (35mins) and Marketing]
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/27-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:03:10 [Ege]
cloudevents is from cloud native foundation instead of linux foundation right? @citrullin?
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topic: Scripting API
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dape shows Scripting API slides
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dape: new options for consumer and exposer applications
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... action state control
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... discovery
14:12:50 [kaz]
present+ CAabye
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... current node-wot status
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subtopic: Consume and Expose options
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dape: pick one particular security scheme or protocol
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... currently there's an interaction level option object to deal with particular binding.
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... consume options will help with this task
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... is a non-breaking change
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... similarly for the exposed side
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... node-wot offer a lot of different protocol bindings
14:16:26 [kaz]
present- CAabye
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present+ Christian_Aabye
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... there's no practical way to configure the exposing algorithm
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... like specify what is going to be exposed.
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... but you need also a way to know is supported. In other words, enumerate runtime capabilites
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subtopic: Action state and control
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dape: there're some new proposal about how actions should behave in the WoT world
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... we are planning to introduce new APIs to control Actions status
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... we are thinking about a Control object to manipulate an Action State
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... it's a breaking change
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... but we need the discussion to settle in other spec (TD and Profile)
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... there's no way to properly handle action queue
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... we need to understand the security model for Action states
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subtopic: Discovery
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dape: we are trying to cover also the discovery spec
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... we are waiting for a stable discovery document
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... we can alredy support basic discovery spec
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... however for scripts is beneficial to discover things easier
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mc: regarding this we don't have time to push new features in Discovery
14:23:19 [kaz]
q?
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q+ McCool
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... we can add this to the next charter
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ack m
14:24:05 [cris]
... it all nails down to which introduction mechanism you want to support in Scripting API
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q+
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qq+ Zoltan
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zoltan: the names are just examples
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ack z
14:24:16 [Zakim]
Zoltan, you wanted to react to McCool
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dape: how to solve nearby?
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mc: bluetooth beacon introduction would work
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dape: we are still considering how to split the two discovery phases
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mc: I would propose just second phase
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dape: the issue here is that we still need introduction mechanism
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mc: we are missing that
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... we have to include on-boarding
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zoltan: I think the introduction belong to another API
14:29:55 [zkis]
but we need to make a difference between discovering directories vs TDs
14:30:14 [cris]
dape: I think onboarding could be specified inside Scripting API
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mc: let's have a joint meeting asap
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subtopic: consquences of recent changes
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dape: ExposedThing does not extends ConsumedThing
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... how to properly test an ExposeThing?
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... how to use it as a ConsumedThing?
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subtopic: node-wot status update
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dape: now it supports Readable Streams
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... it took us a while
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... it is going to be updated soon
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... should we first implement than update??
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s/update/update spec/
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... what people think about this approach?
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... it would take longer to change the spec
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... contributions are always welcomed
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... node-wot is increasing download count per day
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s/day/month/
14:37:15 [mlagally]
q+
14:37:22 [sebastian]
q+
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q?
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ack ml
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q-
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q+
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ml: do have statistics about users?
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dape: we can't know for sure
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... but we are getting more contributions
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... we also have newcomers contributions
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... also outside of the group
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ml: it is good to see
14:40:00 [kaz]
ack s
14:40:42 [cris]
seb: we released in march and April our new web page. Maybe that increased the download.
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... web page and youtube video
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... if you look carefully the growth started right after April
14:41:17 [kaz]
q?
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subtopic: next goals
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dape: allign with all the TD features
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... todo: canonicalization
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... todo: discovery
14:42:16 [McCool]
q+
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... todo: wot profile? is it in scope?
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... let us know if there's anything you would like to see
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zoltan: we are focuses on interactions
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s/focuses/focus/
14:43:45 [dape]
q?
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s/focus/focusing/
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dape: please join our call if anything
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kaz: echonet used node-wot for plug-fest
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... even if Scripting API is a group note, it would be nice to publish a new note soon
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mc: scripting api should be consistent with node-wot implementation
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s/echonet/I confirm echonet/
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s/even/next point, even/
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mc: we may don't need canonicalization yet
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s/soon/soon. It would be nice to publish updated Notes regularly when it becomes stable./
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zoltan: we discussed about versioning and node-wot alligment
14:46:37 [mlagally]
q+
14:46:38 [kaz]
s/may don't/may not/
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ack k
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ack mc
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zoltan: node-wot should be alligned with normative spec
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q?
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ml: why are we withdraw canonicalization?
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mc: we can't have it without breaking backward compatibility
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s/withdraw/withdrawing/
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q?
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ack ml
14:49:52 [cris]
topic: marketing
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seb: time issue... maybe it is better to split it
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ml: I'm raising serious concerns if the TD removes the canonical form. Profile is dependent on it
14:51:00 [kaz]
q+ to suggest we discuss that during the Editors call
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ack k
14:51:24 [Zakim]
kaz, you wanted to suggest we discuss that during the Editors call
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ege: marketing task force
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subtopic: chair changings
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ege: Sebastian leaved as chair
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q+
14:52:45 [zkis]
present- Zoltan_Kis
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... after TPAC Fady Salama will chair testing
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... and Ege Korkan will take over marketing
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kaz: notice it is just a proposal
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subtopic: news
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ege: explainer video
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... improved web page
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... new logo animation
14:54:38 [kaz]
s/notice it is just a proposal/I'm kind of surprised to see this "change" now. You should have mentioned this proposal beforehand. So would suggest this slide says "Chair Change Proposal" for today./
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... new task force descriptions
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... sebastian contributed with a new documentation page
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... just a quick overview
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... new tutorials by Philpp and a new one from TUM/Siemens
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... we organized all the videos in our web page
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... on twitter we are now 332 followers
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... we have 6.1K impressions
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... we now have 10.8K impression
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... the video alone generated alone 13K
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... content is critical to get good impression count
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q+
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q-
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ack d
14:59:32 [cris]
dape: statistics are very useful, but we need information about website visits
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+1
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q+
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ege: w3c is already tracking but we don't have access to them
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... no response from w3c managment
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kaz: there were actually responses from w3c managment
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... we just did not reach a final agreement yet
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s/management/system team/
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s/management/system team/
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sebastian wraps up the session
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q+
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q-
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dape: there's an error in the agenda
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ack dape
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seb: true it is 3 hours
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[adjourned]
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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