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19:55:06 <Caroline_> chair: Caroline_
19:55:23 <Caroline_> regrets+ Antoine Isaac
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20:11:24 <AndreaPerego> zakim, start meeting
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20:11:25 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), AndreaPerego
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20:11:39 <Caroline_> https://www.w3.org/2021/10/19-dxwg-minutes
20:11:52 <AndreaPerego> meeting: DXWG Plenary @ TPAC2021
20:12:03 <PWinstanley> scribenick PWinstanley
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20:12:58 <plh> present+
20:13:05 <kcoyle> present+
20:13:29 <PWinstanley> proposed: approve minutes of last meeting
20:13:32 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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20:13:37 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
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20:13:48 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:14:01 <kcoyle> +1
20:15:11 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: Would like to discuss the clock changes in the coming weeks
20:15:38 <PWinstanley> PWinstanley: thinks that we just continue with the same time
20:15:49 <PWinstanley> resolved: approve minutes of last meeting
20:15:51 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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20:15:57 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.10.26
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20:16:38 <AndreaPerego> topic: Daylight saving time
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20:17:29 <plh> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?month=11&day=16&year=2021&p1=43&p2=195&p3=224&p4=33&p5=248&p6=136&p7=64&p8=216&p9=152&iv=0
20:19:39 <plh> (Daylight saving time ends on November 7 in the United States)
20:21:03 <plh> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20211116&p1=43&p2=195&p3=224&p4=33&p5=248&p6=136&p7=64&p8=213&p9=152
20:25:36 <plh> --> https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/dx/calendar DX Calendar
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20:29:13 <PWinstanley> proposed: we will keep a week for DCAT and for the Plenary as referenced below
20:29:21 <Caroline_> DCAT Subgroups Meetings for the next two months: November 3 and 17
20:29:30 <PWinstanley> ... and we will be at 20:00 UTC for these meetings
20:29:49 <Caroline_> DCAT Subgroups Meetings for the next two months: November 3 and 17 and December 1 and 15
20:30:27 <Caroline_> DXWG Plenary Meetings for the next two months: November 10 and 24 and December 8 and 22
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20:31:08 <PWinstanley> +1
20:31:12 <plh> https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/dx/calendar has been updated
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20:31:32 <PWinstanley> resolved: we will keep a week for DCAT and for the Plenary as referenced below
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20:31:50 <Caroline_> https://slice.wbrain.me/#/list/XOYHVj8Xzuv0N1PEfG
20:32:01 <AndreaPerego> topic: Our questions
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20:33:09 <kcoyle> q+
20:33:15 <Caroline_> kcoyle:
20:33:22 <Caroline_> ack kcoyle
20:34:09 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: there is discussion about DCAT being used for wider uses than types of data, and I want more information
20:37:16 <RiccardoAlbertoni> peter: I would like to see dcat also as an information catalog, everything provided behind a URI could be described in the catalog (eg the collection of my rocks)
20:37:49 <PWinstanley> q+
20:37:58 <Caroline_> ack PWinstanley
20:39:01 <RiccardoAlbertoni> PWinstanley: DCAT is a common denominator for describing catalog in the web.. non necessarily in RDF but mostly in it
20:39:08 <kcoyle> q+
20:40:09 <RiccardoAlbertoni> also the choice of taxonomy is another characteristics,
20:40:17 <Caroline_> kcoyle:
20:40:19 <Caroline_> ack kcoyle
20:42:55 <RiccardoAlbertoni> kcoyle: the feature you are considering are cover by other vocabulary, what is specific of DCAT?
20:45:35 <Caroline_> q+
20:46:05 <RiccardoAlbertoni> AndreaPerego: DCAT is grounded by many use cases ( see the eu data portal), we need new use case beside the traditional.. .
20:47:39 <RiccardoAlbertoni> AndreaPerego: there is the open data directive, where data is also fueled by private companies .. ..
20:47:53 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +q
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20:48:29 <PWinstanley> Rach: is there any specific vertical that is focused on?
20:48:53 <PWinstanley> PWinstanley: mainly research data and government open data
20:49:34 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:49:43 <Caroline_> q-
20:49:44 <PWinstanley> Rach: any focus on health, education, financial, etc?
20:49:47 <Caroline_> ack RiccardoAlbertoni
20:49:52 <AndreaPerego> q-
20:50:18 <AndreaPerego> Dataset Exchange Use Cases and Requirements: https://www.w3.org/TR/dcat-ucr/
20:50:36 <PWinstanley> RiccardoAlbertoni: DCAT is domain-neutral. the use case from a specific domain is inspiring, but customisation for a specific community is simply to prepare an applicaiton profile.
20:50:50 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:51:10 <PWinstanley> ... There are communities that start from DCAT and define their own specific view, but focus on specific domains is beyond our scope
20:51:32 <AndreaPerego> s/applicaiton/application/
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20:52:06 <AndreaPerego> scribenick: RiccardoAlbertoni
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20:52:53 <Caroline_> ack AndreaPerego
20:53:00 <PWinstanley> ... I have recently been involved in an AI project and one looking at transparency and reproducibility of AI.  This domain is useful inspiration as there are aspects and use cases that we might have previously consdered out of scope but now recognise as being in scope
20:53:53 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: as RiccardoAlbertoni said, DCAT is supposed to be context neutral.  if 2 domains have the same issue then we generally think that the issue is likely to be in scope.
20:53:56 <AndreaPerego> DXWG UCR: https://www.w3.org/TR/dcat-ucr/
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20:54:31 <PWinstanley> ... See the UCR doc - there are some domains that Rach  mentioned - e.g. health.
20:56:13 <PWinstanley> ... The link between DCAT and AI - now there is some enthusiasm around ML, but people are losing a focus on data managment, which is required for proper ML.  This provides a route for applying DCAT.  Issues such as data quality and ethics can benefit from DCAT
20:57:11 <PWinstanley> ... As well as the FAIR Principles there are principles focusing on ethics that relate to geospatial data, and this could be relevant and be reflected in new versions of DCAT
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20:58:00 <kcoyle> wonder if we need to add FAIR to the charter or is it obvious?
20:58:02 <AndreaPerego> CARE principles: https://www.gida-global.org/care
20:58:33 <AndreaPerego> SDW WG Responsible us of spatial data: https://www.w3.org/TR/responsible-use-spatial/
20:59:04 <kcoyle> and CARE as posted by Andrea
20:59:51 <PWinstanley> Rach: I want to echo the AI interest - I think that it will be something that DCAT team should investigate
21:00:28 <AndreaPerego> s/Responsible us of /Responsible use of /
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21:00:37 <PWinstanley> Caroline_: we have a questionnaire that it would be useful to get peoples' views on - it will take 10 minutes or so
21:01:10 <PWinstanley> ... I can distribute this by email, but perhaps if Rach  and kirkwood  could help us to get to others -
21:01:26 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: we need to ask for use cases again.  I think that would be a useful call
21:01:46 <PWinstanley> ... I see this questionnaire as being a way of teasing out use cases
21:01:47 <Caroline_> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1dzaE7fXSfk4xTFALL7Rx3ZjfYHEezZHeMwcJkFGqtB4/edit?usp=sharing_eip_m&ts=6176fc7e
21:03:01 <PWinstanley> Caroline_: thanks to all for a good discussion today
21:03:21 <Caroline_> Thank you everyone!
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21:04:24 <AndreaPerego> scribenick: PWinstanley
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21:06:10 <AndreaPerego> present+ Rach
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