Meeting minutes
<tomayac> Hey folks! The call is gonna happen in 12min on https://
<Kenneth> Hello breakout fishies
<aleventhal> Does WebKit have a concern about the API even when used in a PWA?
<gsnedders1> Can we also stop the live transcription, given that's also recorded?
<rakuco> tidoust: ^
Notes for discussion, All, please help.
aaron leventhal, asking about permissions and if install signal helps users understand that a web app can do more
… has there been user research?
Alex Russell notes that there has been some research, but often narrowly done
… there are multiple browsers with different approaches
… api shapes are designed to enable different approaches
cyns: User Research: curious how much has been done, what more can be done
… investigate how users think about PWAs
… are they apps, web sites, etc...
… e.g. with accessibility, users often have concerns around privacy
… desktop apps have capabilities that users typically accept, where they have reservations if web sites could do the same.
Alex R: We have kept most of the capabilities behind dedicated permission prompts
… available in an installed state and tab
… should have dedicated treatment per permission
Vincent Scheib: There is research about permissions
… e.g. types of permissions, permission fatigue, permission understanding
… Chrome has tried to avoid 'allow/deny' permissions when a chooser or selection permission can work.
Reilly Grant: Unaware of the intersection of install + permissions
… believe we should be wary of tying permissions to install. Don't want incentives to "get X by first doing Y"
Zoltan Kis: There are web apps installed from stores
John Jansen: Microsoft Store
… apps are denoted as being powered by Edge
… not clear if users understand that these apps are "just a webpage"
… treatment of a PWA when installed via store vs from browser?
… case study: ride sharing app
… from a store, it seems fair to presume location access is desired
… but should that allow a web site to have location?
Zoltan Kis: Experiments with a control bar?
Kenneth Christianson: Chrome does this for at least some permissions, showing what permissions are in place?
FYI 30 participants at this point
Tom Steiner: There are discussions around:
… declaring multiple permissions upfront
… time-boxing permissions
Reilly Grant: Many users seek applications in store
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Assitive technologies
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