16:41:48 RRSAgent has joined #aria 16:41:48 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/10/21-aria-irc 16:41:50 RRSAgent, make logs Public 16:41:52 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jamesn 16:41:55 chair: JamesNurthen 16:42:00 meeting: ARIA WG 16:43:17 agenda+ [New Issue Triage](https://bit.ly/3aWxQ3O) 16:43:17 agenda+ [New PR Triage](https://bit.ly/30KsTcF) 16:43:17 agenda+ [TPAC 2021](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1482) 16:43:17 - Please register https://www.w3.org/2021/10/TPAC/#participation 16:43:17 - ARIA sessions Scheduled Thursday Oct 28 - (1 hour) 7am Pacific / 10am Eastern & (2 hours) 9am Pacific / noon Eastern 16:43:18 - [Sessions with APA about future of a11y APIs](https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2021#APA_.26_ARIA:_The_Future_of_Accessibility_APIs) 16:43:18 - Graphics/ Canvas a11y?? (cyns?) 16:43:18 agenda+ [Updating ARIA 1.2 due to IDL implementations (exit and re-enter CR?)](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1598) 16:43:18 agenda+ [Spec is unclear on aria-invalid="spelling" | "grammar" uses](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/989) 16:43:19 agenda+ [Add figcaption to computation?](https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/issues/325) 16:43:19 agenda+ [clarify img naming steps](https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/pull/322) 16:43:19 agenda+ [Clarify how "otherwise interactive" relates to overriding the none/presentation role](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1628) 16:43:19 agenda+ [summary element role mapping](https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/issues/345) 16:57:51 present+ 17:01:58 Jory has joined #aria 17:02:46 MarkMcCarthy has joined #aria 17:04:17 present+ Joanmarie_Diggs 17:04:29 present+ 17:06:01 scribe: Jory 17:06:07 zakim next item 17:06:24 harris has joined #aria 17:06:33 present+ 17:07:16 zakim, next item 17:07:16 agendum 1 -- [New Issue Triage](https://bit.ly/3aWxQ3O) -- taken up [from jamesn] 17:07:17 present+ 17:07:26 rrsagent, make minutes 17:07:26 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/21-aria-minutes.html jcraig 17:08:14 zakim, next item 17:08:14 agendum 1 was just opened, Jory 17:08:45 zakim, close this item 17:08:45 agendum 1 closed 17:08:46 I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 17:08:46 2. [New PR Triage](https://bit.ly/30KsTcF) [from jamesn] 17:08:49 zakim, next item 17:08:49 agendum 2 -- [New PR Triage](https://bit.ly/30KsTcF) -- taken up [from jamesn] 17:09:18 james n will merge 17:09:21 zakim, close this item 17:09:21 agendum 2 closed 17:09:22 I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 17:09:22 3. [TPAC 2021](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1482) [from jamesn] 17:09:24 james n will merge 17:09:28 zakim, next item 17:09:28 agendum 3 -- [TPAC 2021](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1482) -- taken up [from jamesn] 17:09:31 - Please register https://www.w3.org/2021/10/TPAC/#participation 17:09:31 09:43 17:09:31 - ARIA sessions Scheduled Thursday Oct 28 - (1 hour) 7am Pacific / 10am Eastern & (2 hours) 9am Pacific / noon Eastern 17:09:31 09:43 17:09:31 - [Sessions with APA about future of a11y APIs](https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2021#APA_.26_ARIA:_The_Future_of_Accessibility_APIs) 17:09:32 09:43 17:09:32 - Graphics/ Canvas a11y?? (cyns?) 17:10:00 WilliamTennisNFCU has joined #aria 17:10:12 present+ 17:10:14 jamesn reminder, please register for TPAC! 17:11:19 jamesn we will be discussing resolving text to speech conflicts in Ruby 17:12:51 jamesn Tuesday next week there is a joint with APA around A11y APIs 17:13:38 APA & ARIA: The Future of Accessibility APIs (Session 1) 17:13:38 Tuesday, October 26, 11:00 AM-1:00 PM CDT 17:14:57 jamesn it sounds like the cyns conversation about Canvas a11y may be post-TPAC 17:16:18 jcraig attended the Focus Group: Toggles and Tabs, recommends checking out that session's artifacts 17:16:48 https://github.com/MicrosoftEdge/MSEdgeExplainers/blob/main/Focusgroup/explainer.md 17:17:05 https://tabatkins.github.io/css-toggle/#introduction 17:18:27 https://web-eur.cvent.com/hub/events/2b77fe3d-2536-467d-b71b-969b2e6419b5/sessions/3dca6f35-69d1-47c4-8f7e-14a0b543f428?goBackHref=%2Fevents%2F2b77fe3d-2536-467d-b71b-969b2e6419b5%2Fsessions&goBackName=All+Sessions&goBackTab=21-9-2021 17:18:35 zakim, close this item 17:18:35 agendum 3 closed 17:18:36 I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 17:18:36 4. [Updating ARIA 1.2 due to IDL implementations (exit and re-enter CR?)](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1598) [from jamesn] 17:18:42 https://web.dev/fugu-status/ 17:18:43 zakim, next item 17:18:43 agendum 4 -- [Updating ARIA 1.2 due to IDL implementations (exit and re-enter CR?)](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1598) -- taken up [from jamesn] 17:19:25 cyns is planning to write a draft of the element reflection spec this week 17:19:49 Matt_King has joined #aria 17:20:35 zakim, close this item 17:20:35 agendum 4 closed 17:20:36 I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 17:20:36 5. [Spec is unclear on aria-invalid="spelling" | "grammar" uses](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/989) [from jamesn] 17:20:37 zakim, next item 17:20:37 agendum 5 -- [Spec is unclear on aria-invalid="spelling" | "grammar" uses](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/989) -- taken up [from jamesn] 17:21:59 jamesn there was an interesting TPAC session around a way of marking spelling /grammar errors across component boundaries 17:22:40 jamesn eventually we may replace aria-invalid on elements with that 17:22:44 ## Highlight API Accessibility 17:22:44 https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/6498 17:22:44 Dan Clark, proposed type field to the API. 17:22:44 Implementation seems reasonable. 17:23:00 cyns has joined #aria 17:24:13 Minutes: https://www.w3.org/2021/10/20-cssa11y-minutes.html#t02 17:24:14 Project Fugu: https://web.dev/fugu-status/ 17:25:54 jamesn suggests we don't create a new "spelling" value for aria-invalid only to deprecate it in favor of this new cross-element method 17:27:29 jamesn is for "option1" of the proposal (aria-invalid back to global) 17:28:23 Aaron L. what might the consequences of deprecation be? We need it currently 17:30:19 Scott O. Should we add a not about this? Indicating aria-invalid is valid based on a match between value and role 17:32:06 Aaron L. I'm good with whatever will make sure we have support until we have a better replacement 17:33:26 Scott O. will file an issue with ARIA in HTML to make sure we have a note of explanation to avoid confusion 17:34:50 aaron L we may still need a version of this that is an attribute for the sake of things like virtual nodes 17:35:13 zakim, next item 17:35:13 agendum 6 -- [Add figcaption to computation?](https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/issues/325) -- taken up [from jamesn] 17:36:21 Scott o. This is about figuring out to which element figcaption provides ACCName 17:37:23 Scott o. proposes that a figcaption should provide description so that something else can provide the name 17:39:21 Scott O. IS there anyone who opposes this or do we thing there will be User Agent pushback? 17:39:54 cyns and Aaron: this seems reasonable 17:42:26 jamesn that we can put structured content in figcaption suggests it should not be a decription 17:44:33 https://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/disclosure/disclosure-img-long-description.html 17:44:33 Scott O will add notes to the issue from this conversation 17:45:30 melsumner has joined #aria 17:45:57 jamesn we have an example of a complex figcaption here: https://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/disclosure/disclosure-img-long-description.html 17:47:26 zakim, next item 17:47:26 agendum 7 -- [clarify img naming steps](https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/pull/322) -- taken up [from jamesn] 17:48:36 jamesn waiting on this pending more comments from Matt 17:48:40 aaronlev has joined #aria 17:52:03 cyns what is most important is consistant approach, either approach is ok 17:54:13 cyns we could tie this to the verbosity setting? 17:55:39 jjamesn are we saying that title is like an ARIA global? It makes role="presentation" not applicable? 17:56:27 s/jjamesn /jamesn 17:57:26 I hadn't seen the "wall of text" Scott mentioned but it's here: https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/pull/322#issuecomment-947857392 18:01:54 zakim, close item 18:01:54 I don't understand 'close item', Jory 18:02:06 agenda? 18:02:14 zakim, close this item 18:02:14 agendum 7 closed 18:02:15 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 18:02:15 8. [Clarify how "otherwise interactive" relates to overriding the none/presentation role](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1628) [from jamesn] 18:02:19 rrsagent, make minutes 18:02:19 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/21-aria-minutes.html Jory 18:02:33 Semi related issue: https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1628 18:12:24 Jory has joined #aria 19:10:43 jongunderson has joined #aria 20:04:34 jongunderson has joined #aria