IRC log of wot-td on 2021-10-20

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meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF

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present+ Kaz_Ashimura Ege_Korkan, Jan_Romann, Tomoaki_Mizushima

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present+ Daniel_Peintner

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present+ Michael_Koster

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present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi

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regrets+ Sebastian

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q+

14:04:47 [Ege]

Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf

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ack k

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scribenick: kaz

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agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#Oct_20.2C_2021

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topic: Minutes

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subtopic: TPAC vF2F day 2 - TD day

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-> https://www.w3.org/2021/10/07-wot-minutes.html Oct-7

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ek: (goes through the minutes

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s/minutes/minutes)/

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... further discussion about JOSE, etc., on Oct 28

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... discussion on v1.1 and v2.0

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q+ to ask about Ege's slides

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ack k

14:19:04 [Zakim]

kaz, you wanted to ask about Ege's slides

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ek: will do

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... any objections about the minutes for publication?

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(no objections and approved)

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subtopic: Sep-22

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-> https://www.w3.org/2021/09/22-wot-td-minutes.html Sep-22

14:23:43 [kaz]

ek: (goes through the minutes)

14:23:55 [kaz]

... wondering about the issue 1078

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mjk: we still need discussion

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q?

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ek: any objections?

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(no objections and approved)

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topic: Publication schedule

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ek: would postpone the topic

14:28:42 [kaz]

kaz: OK with waiting for Sebastian's pariticipation

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s/pari/par/

14:29:03 [kaz]

ek: do you mean we should fix the features for v1.1?

14:29:08 [kaz]

kaz: right

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ek: agree

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... but we still many remaining issues which need further clarifications

14:29:50 [cris]

+1 for freezing the features for TD 1.1.

14:30:05 [kaz]

ek: would like to look into easier issues

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[[

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https://www.w3.org/2021/09/22-wot-td-minutes.html#t11

14:30:30 [kaz]

API Key in query: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/922 . Needs McCool

14:30:32 [kaz]

Data Schema for non JSON Payloads: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/839

14:30:34 [kaz]

$id for JSON Schema: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/674 . Needs Cristiano

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? AdditionalResponses: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1211

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Version in TMs: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1209 . Needs Sebastian but it is being taken care of ?

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How to specify one of the allOf/oneOf keys are mandatory for combo scheme: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/955 Needs McCool

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Action input not clear: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/913

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Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.

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]]

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ek: also would suggest we remove difficult issues

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[[

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Meaning of Backwards Compatbility: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1243

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Event Frequency information: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1213

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Subbyte Semantics: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1220

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]]

14:31:10 [kaz]

topic: Easier issues

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subtopic: PR 1238

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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1238 Remove duplicate line "enum" #1238

14:32:38 [kaz]

kaz: it's just on template.html

14:32:51 [kaz]

... but do we need to regenerate index.html based on that?

14:33:22 [kaz]

ek: this is jsonschema.tmplate.html

14:33:36 [kaz]

... so don't need to update index.html. maybe?

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dape: should update index.html as well based on the change

14:34:56 [kaz]

ek: can do that quickly

14:35:03 [kaz]

subtopic: PR 1240

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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1240 Add TUM implementations #1240

14:35:46 [kaz]

ek: this is about imple.csv

14:36:17 [kaz]

kaz: this is for the implementation report. right?

14:36:23 [kaz]

ek: right

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subtopic: PR 1238 - revisited

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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1238/files changes

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ek: index.html has been also fixed

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... and PR merged

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subtopic: PR 1128

14:37:47 [kaz]

-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1128 Bump lodash from 4.17.20 to 4.17.21 #1128

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ek: any problems?

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dp: had no problem

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ek: merged

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s/topic: Easier issues/topic: Easy PRs/

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rrsagent, make log public

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/20-wot-td-minutes.html kaz

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topic: Discussion issues

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subtopic: Issue 1243

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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1243 Definition of Backwards Compatibility #1243

14:41:02 [cris]

q+

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q+

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ack c

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ca: want to make sure the backward compatibility

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... if we upgrade the system to v1.1-based one, would like to process the v1.0 codes

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ek: what if I have a v1.0 consumer along with a v1.1 producer?

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... would it be ok?

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ca: that's fine

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ek: new features should be identified by the validator

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ca: would like to clarify what "backward compatibility" is like

14:47:52 [kaz]

ek: ok. let me write down

14:48:03 [kaz]

kaz: agree with Cristiano

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-> https://www.w3.org/TR/speech-synthesis11/#AppF SSML 1.1 example

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kaz: for the v1.1 spec itself, we should clarify which features are compatible with the v1.0 spec

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... and which are not

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... to help implementers understand the difference

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... and describe what would happen if implementers use what features (new features or existing features) with what kind of processor (v1.0-based or v1.1-based / producer or consumer)

14:53:33 [dape]

q+

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ack k

14:54:38 [cris]

q+

14:54:39 [kaz]

ek: (describes some expected behaviors based on the conditions)

14:54:53 [kaz]

kaz: we should clarify that within the spec itself

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ek: ok

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dp: suggests we look into another example of XML Schema 1.1 as well

14:56:38 [kaz]

-> https://www.w3.org/TR/2012/REC-xmlschema11-2-20120405/datatypes.html#intro1.1 XML Schema 1.1

14:57:56 [kaz]

kaz: we need more discussion and let's have that next call

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ack dape

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q?

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ack c

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[adjourned]

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/20-wot-td-minutes.html kaz