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14:02:12 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF
14:02:28 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura Ege_Korkan, Jan_Romann, Tomoaki_Mizushima
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14:03:52 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
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14:03:58 <kaz> regrets+ Sebastian
14:04:22 <kaz> q+
14:04:47 <Ege> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf
14:08:24 <kaz> ack k
14:08:27 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
14:09:30 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#Oct_20.2C_2021
14:09:41 <kaz> topic: Minutes
14:09:52 <kaz> subtopic: TPAC vF2F day 2 - TD day
14:10:07 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/10/07-wot-minutes.html Oct-7
14:10:17 <kaz> ek: (goes through the minutes
14:10:23 <kaz> s/minutes/minutes)/
14:11:08 <kaz> ... further discussion about JOSE, etc., on Oct 28
14:12:40 <kaz> ... discussion on v1.1 and v2.0
14:18:49 <kaz> q+ to ask about Ege's slides
14:19:04 <kaz> ack k
14:19:04 <Zakim> kaz, you wanted to ask about Ege's slides
14:19:54 <kaz> ek: will do
14:20:29 <kaz> ... any objections about the minutes for publication?
14:20:36 <kaz> (no objections and approved)
14:20:49 <kaz> subtopic: Sep-22
14:20:59 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/09/22-wot-td-minutes.html Sep-22
14:23:43 <kaz> ek: (goes through the minutes)
14:23:55 <kaz> ... wondering about the issue 1078
14:24:05 <kaz> mjk: we still need discussion
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14:25:22 <kaz> q?
14:25:45 <kaz> ek: any objections?
14:25:53 <kaz> (no objections and approved)
14:26:17 <kaz> topic: Publication schedule
14:26:57 <kaz> ek: would postpone the topic
14:28:42 <kaz> kaz: OK with waiting for Sebastian's pariticipation
14:28:48 <kaz> s/pari/par/
14:29:03 <kaz> ek: do you mean we should fix the features for v1.1?
14:29:08 <kaz> kaz: right
14:29:28 <kaz> ek: agree
14:29:45 <kaz> ... but we still many remaining issues which need further clarifications
14:29:50 <cris> +1 for freezing the features for TD 1.1.
14:30:05 <kaz> ek: would like to look into easier issues
14:30:24 <kaz> [[
14:30:24 <kaz> https://www.w3.org/2021/09/22-wot-td-minutes.html#t11
14:30:30 <kaz> API Key in query: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/922 . Needs McCool
14:30:32 <kaz> Data Schema for non JSON Payloads: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/839
14:30:34 <kaz> $id for JSON Schema: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/674 . Needs Cristiano
14:30:36 <kaz>  ? AdditionalResponses: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1211
14:30:38 <kaz> Version in TMs: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1209 . Needs Sebastian but it is being taken care of ?
14:30:41 <kaz> How to specify one of the allOf/oneOf keys are mandatory for combo scheme: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/955 Needs McCool
14:30:44 <kaz> Action input not clear: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/913
14:30:44 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
14:30:46 <kaz> ]]
14:30:48 <kaz> ek: also would suggest we remove difficult issues
14:30:52 <kaz> [[
14:30:58 <kaz> Meaning of Backwards Compatbility: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1243
14:31:00 <kaz> Event Frequency information: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1213
14:31:02 <kaz> Subbyte Semantics: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1220
14:31:04 <kaz> ]]
14:31:10 <kaz> topic: Easier issues
14:31:57 <kaz> subtopic: PR 1238
14:32:06 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1238 Remove duplicate line "enum" #1238
14:32:38 <kaz> kaz: it's just on template.html
14:32:51 <kaz> ... but do we need to regenerate index.html based on that?
14:33:22 <kaz> ek: this is jsonschema.tmplate.html
14:33:36 <kaz> ... so don't need to update index.html. maybe?
14:33:59 <kaz> dape: should update index.html as well based on the change
14:34:56 <kaz> ek: can do that quickly
14:35:03 <kaz> subtopic: PR 1240
14:35:32 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1240 Add TUM implementations #1240
14:35:46 <kaz> ek: this is about imple.csv
14:36:17 <kaz> kaz: this is for the implementation report. right?
14:36:23 <kaz> ek: right
14:36:36 <kaz> subtopic: PR 1238 - revisited
14:37:07 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1238/files changes
14:37:15 <kaz> ek: index.html has been also fixed
14:37:19 <kaz> ... and PR merged
14:37:40 <kaz> subtopic: PR 1128
14:37:47 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1128 Bump lodash from 4.17.20 to 4.17.21 #1128
14:37:59 <kaz> ek: any problems?
14:38:04 <kaz> dp: had no problem
14:38:07 <kaz> ek: merged
14:38:54 <kaz> s/topic: Easier issues/topic: Easy PRs/
14:39:01 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:39:49 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:39:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/20-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:39:56 <kaz> topic: Discussion issues
14:40:01 <kaz> subtopic: Issue 1243
14:40:30 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1243 Definition of Backwards Compatibility #1243
14:41:02 <cris> q+
14:43:39 <kaz> q+
14:44:09 <kaz> ack c
14:44:39 <kaz> ca: want to make sure the backward compatibility
14:45:11 <kaz> ... if we upgrade the system to v1.1-based one, would like to process the v1.0 codes
14:45:43 <kaz> ek: what if I have a v1.0 consumer along with a v1.1 producer?
14:45:47 <kaz> ... would it be ok?
14:45:51 <kaz> ca: that's fine
14:47:15 <kaz> ek: new features should be identified by the validator
14:47:39 <kaz> ca: would like to clarify what "backward compatibility" is like
14:47:52 <kaz> ek: ok. let me write down
14:48:03 <kaz> kaz: agree with Cristiano
14:48:17 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/speech-synthesis11/#AppF SSML 1.1 example
14:49:25 <kaz> kaz: for the v1.1 spec itself, we should clarify which features are compatible with the v1.0 spec
14:49:29 <kaz> ... and which are not
14:49:45 <kaz> ... to help implementers understand the difference
14:52:51 <kaz> ... and describe what would happen if implementers use what features (new features or existing features) with what kind of processor (v1.0-based or v1.1-based / producer or consumer)
14:53:33 <dape> q+
14:53:39 <kaz> ack k
14:54:38 <cris> q+
14:54:39 <kaz> ek: (describes some expected behaviors based on the conditions)
14:54:53 <kaz> kaz: we should clarify that within the spec itself
14:54:56 <kaz> ek: ok
14:56:25 <kaz> dp: suggests we look into another example of XML Schema 1.1 as well
14:56:38 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/2012/REC-xmlschema11-2-20120405/datatypes.html#intro1.1 XML Schema 1.1
14:57:56 <kaz> kaz: we need more discussion and let's have that next call
14:57:58 <dape> ack dape
14:58:08 <kaz> q?
14:58:10 <kaz> ack c
14:58:22 <kaz> [adjourned]
14:58:25 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:58:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/20-wot-td-minutes.html kaz