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15:05:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/20-voice-minutes.html kaz
15:06:43 <ddahl> kaz: agenda, review existing standards from AC meeting, interoperability issues, and possible workshop
15:06:55 <ddahl> ...there are many existing standards
15:06:57 <kaz> slide 2
15:07:46 <ddahl> ...VoiceXML, SSML, CSS speech, WebSpeechAPI and Specification for Spoken Presentation
15:08:23 <kaz> slide 3
15:08:45 <ddahl> ...voice agents are getting popular -- accurate pronunciation, flexible speech styles, etc.
15:09:08 <ddahl> ...need for improved voice agents
15:09:34 <kaz> slide 4
15:09:38 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
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15:10:00 <kaz> dd: concerns by voice interaction cg
15:10:17 <kaz> ... generic agents like Siri, Google, Alexa
15:10:28 <kaz> ... other systems as well
15:10:48 <kaz> ... not based on web standards primarily
15:11:00 <kaz> ... would like to get them to interoperability
15:11:26 <kaz> ... for example, for banking, retail, ...
15:11:57 <kaz> ... CG meeting next week exactly same time
15:12:24 <kaz> slide 5
15:12:31 <kaz> dd: a lot of parallels
15:13:11 <kaz> ... Web page vs IPA
15:13:28 <kaz> ... web pages have to deal with user interaction
15:13:35 <kaz> ... primarily using GUI
15:14:02 <kaz> ... IPA use interaction main based on voice and natural language
15:14:21 <kaz> ... arbitrary differences as well
15:14:34 <kaz> ... browser vs proprietary platforms
15:14:52 <kaz> (IPA stands for Intelligent Personal Assistants)
15:15:06 <kaz> dd: ecosystem of skills, actions or whatever
15:15:15 <kaz> ... have to find them through the platform
15:15:31 <kaz> slide 6
15:15:40 <kaz> dd: this is architecture of IPA
15:15:46 <kaz> ... not going into the details
15:15:58 <kaz> s/IPA/IPA generated by the CG/
15:16:19 <kaz> ... green box on the left is device
15:16:33 <kaz> ... the input device could be a microphone
15:16:55 <kaz> ... i the middle red box includes "dialogs"
15:17:13 <kaz> ... and blue box on the right includes "provider selection service"
15:17:40 <kaz> ... we have something component which perform the functions
15:17:48 <kaz> ... analogous with the browsers
15:17:55 <kaz> slide 7
15:18:12 <ddahl> scribenick: ddahl
15:18:23 <ddahl> kaz: potential voice workshop
15:19:06 <ddahl> ...try to solve potential pain points
15:19:23 <ddahl> ...what is the best mechanism for discussion?
15:20:05 <ddahl> ...feedback from the first breakout
15:20:26 <bkardell_> are the slides available so I can zoom in to see some of these things better than I could here?
15:20:53 <ddahl> existing standards, other related technologies, pain points, emotion, common sense database related to people's perception
15:21:15 <ddahl> ...several participants said that emotion would be very interesting
15:21:46 <ddahl> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/221
15:21:53 <bkardell_> q+
15:22:00 <ddahl> kaz: opinions?
15:22:00 <kaz> topic: Discussion
15:22:18 <jasonjgw> q+
15:22:30 <cpn> q+
15:22:31 <avneeshsingh> q+
15:22:36 <ddahl> brian: zoom in on IPA architecture
15:23:00 <ddahl> ...currently it's very underspecified how this is implemented
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15:23:13 <kaz> i/agenda, review/topic: Presentation/
15:23:17 <ddahl> ...in current implementations
15:23:18 <kaz> q?
15:24:10 <kaz> ack bk
15:24:32 <ddahl> ...can you send SSML? Yes in some cases, but sometimes it doesn't work
15:25:44 <phila_> q+
15:26:12 <kaz> ack jas
15:26:41 <ddahl> https://w3c.github.io/voiceinteraction/voice%20interaction%20drafts/paArchitecture-1-2.htm
15:26:53 <kaz> dd: welcome to the CG meeting as well
15:27:50 <bkardell_> ... if we could please share link the APA doc just referernced for review/minutes as well?
15:27:59 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/2021/WD-naur-20211012/ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements
15:28:06 <IrfanA> https://www.w3.org/TR/spoken-html/
15:28:13 <cpn> q+ lisa_seeman
15:28:33 <ddahl> jason: points out two accessibility publications
15:28:45 <ddahl> ...that are relevant to this discussion
15:29:20 <IrfanA> https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues
15:29:38 <jasonjgw> https://www.w3.org/TR/naur/
15:29:44 <kaz> q?
15:29:45 <ddahl> irfan: please add issues to github
15:29:45 <mhakkinen_> q+
15:29:53 <kaz> ack cpn
15:30:29 <ddahl> chris: as a content publisher, we've had to overcome a lot of proprietary  content
15:30:57 <ddahl> ...is there interest from device manufacturers?
15:31:15 <ddahl> kaz: would like to invite these vendors to the workshop
15:31:42 <kaz> q?
15:31:42 <ddahl> chrisW: would be interested
15:31:48 <kaz> ack av
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15:32:36 <ddahl> avneesh: this is very important work, in the community group -- what would big players see as business benefits
15:32:40 <bkardell_> q+
15:32:57 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
15:33:05 <kaz> dd: would be really interesting to look into
15:33:11 <kaz> ... have not done yet
15:33:32 <kaz> ... focus on our own short-term interest in gaps on interoperability so far
15:33:38 <kaz> ... but should look into it
15:33:46 <kaz> q?
15:33:53 <kaz> ack p
15:34:03 <LisaSeemanKest_> q+
15:34:38 <ddahl> philArcher: this is the 3rd TPAC in a row, have we yet reached a critical mass yet?
15:35:04 <ddahl> kaz: let's hold the workshop in the next 6 months or so
15:35:16 <ddahl> ...probably will be held remotely
15:35:30 <kaz> q?
15:35:36 <kaz> ack lisa
15:35:45 <kaz> ack lisa
15:36:13 <ddahl> lisa_seeman: how does this interact with people with cognitive disabilities
15:36:30 <ddahl> ...put some ideas in Content Usable note
15:36:51 <ddahl> ...how can this specification support people with voice disabilities
15:37:05 <stevelee> https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/#voice-menus-user-story
15:37:33 <ddahl> ...this is full of potential and helps businesses with getting users who are struggling
15:37:53 <ddahl> ...that could be part of the business case
15:38:42 <kaz> q+ tobias
15:39:12 <ddahl> ... we also requested that audio descriptions have easier and more literal descriptions made request to PA
15:39:17 <ddahl> s/PA/APA
15:39:30 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
15:39:36 <kaz> dd: really interesting
15:39:47 <kaz> ... might be difficult to have simple audio description
15:40:07 <kaz> ... but it would be considerable to use external services
15:40:23 <kaz> ... would be possible to use EMMA message
15:40:37 <kaz> ... useful technology
15:40:55 <kaz> ... natural language technology is a difficult technology
15:41:05 <kaz> ... but getting better and better
15:41:40 <kaz> lisa: you could dialog with your users
15:41:51 <kaz> dd: someone may need some additional treatment
15:42:18 <kaz> ... e.g., airline reservations, need many parameters
15:42:35 <kaz> lisa: wondering if there would be possible to put in a facility
15:42:39 <ddahl> ...more directed dialog for people who need simplified dialog
15:42:56 <kaz> i/more/scribenick: ddahl/
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15:43:05 <ddahl> lisa: how could you make a note for yourself?
15:43:15 <kaz> qq+ kaz
15:43:25 <kaz> ack k
15:43:25 <Zakim> kaz, you wanted to react to lisa_seeman
15:43:29 <ddahl> ...that would be good for people who have memory issues
15:44:14 <ddahl> kaz: maybe that could be integrated in architecture
15:44:34 <kaz> q?
15:44:36 <ddahl> ...that could be discussed during the workshop
15:44:40 <kaz> ack mha
15:45:18 <mhakkinen_> https://w3c.github.io/pronunciation/gap-analysis_and_use-case/
15:45:30 <ddahl> mark: we've been raising the issue of getting better pronunciation for several years
15:45:36 <LisaSeemanKest_> thank you mark
15:46:32 <ddahl> ...the education use case is that many users use computer read aloud. It might be good to bring in vendors from this community
15:46:40 <ddahl> ...for example, Text Help
15:46:53 <ddahl> ...we would be interested in the workshop
15:47:05 <kaz> q?
15:47:12 <kaz> ack bk
15:47:48 <ddahl> brian: wants to highlight that this and a lot conversations are in terms of voice assistants like Siri
15:48:18 <ddahl> ...the use cases for TTS and STT are way broader than that
15:49:31 <ddahl> ...my company makes products for embedded devices. There are many uses cases that aren't browsers or voice agents
15:49:56 <ddahl> ...we should not limit this to conversational interfaces
15:50:49 <ddahl> ...many devices can't support a full conversational interface
15:51:00 <mhakkinen_> +q
15:51:02 <cpn> it's not an either/or question
15:51:10 <ddahl> ...will the workshop cover these things?
15:51:27 <ddahl> ...the SSML has to make it all the way down to what's actually speaking
15:52:09 <phila_> q+
15:52:31 <ddahl> ... not questioning the value of conversational interfaces, but would like to broaden discussion
15:52:58 <ddahl> kaz: we should talk about what's to be included
15:52:59 <kaz> q?
15:53:11 <kaz> qq+ dwalka
15:53:16 <kaz> ack dwa
15:53:16 <Zakim> dwalka, you wanted to react to bkardell_
15:53:35 <ddahl> dirk: in Voice Interaction group we meant to include other modalities, like chatbots
15:54:01 <kaz> qq+ mark
15:54:03 <kaz> ack mark
15:54:03 <Zakim> mark, you wanted to react to dwalka
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15:54:46 <ddahl> mark: let's consider emergency alerts, synthesized alerts also have problems with pronunication
15:55:07 <bkardell_> mark: do you have any link to the oasis stuff you mentioned
15:55:07 <mhakkinen_> http://docs.oasis-open.org/emergency/cap/v1.2/CAP-v1.2-os.html
15:55:08 <ddahl> ...how can we improve this? did some earlier work
15:55:29 <kaz> qq+ lisa
15:55:33 <kaz> ack lisa
15:55:33 <Zakim> lisa, you wanted to react to mark
15:55:46 <ddahl> lisa: that would be a great use case. emergency communications have to be available to every single subgroup
15:56:01 <phila_> q-
15:56:09 <ddahl> ...other use cases will be able to join that ecosystem at a lower cost
15:56:45 <ddahl> kaz: we might want to talk about not just voice but have a "Smart Agent" workshop
15:57:00 <kaz> ack kaz
15:57:00 <Zakim> kaz, you wanted to react to mark
15:57:04 <kaz> ack tob
15:57:14 <kirkwood> +1 to ‘smart agent’ its clearer i think
15:57:31 <bkardell_> can we get a link to the iso standards mentioned?
15:57:51 <ddahl> tobias: working on DIN and OASIS standards. voice is very powerful, but the fastest way forward is to agree on minimal requirements
15:57:56 <ddahl> ...and implement them
15:58:01 <phila_> I'm OK with Smart Agent workshop. My focus, unsurprisingly, is eCommerce and what's necessary for brand owners to help Smart Agents disambiguate products and retailers.
15:58:05 <kirkwood> ‘smart voice agent’
15:58:29 <kaz> q?
15:58:35 <kaz> ack mh
15:59:30 <ddahl> kaz: would like to update the proposal with this feedback. Would like everyone to join the Program Committee
15:59:49 <ddahl> ...please contact me
15:59:50 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/Talks/1018-voice-dd-ka/20211018-voice-breakout-dd-ka.pdf slides
16:00:12 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/221 github issue
16:00:18 <kaz> <ashimura@w3.org>
16:00:40 <kaz> [adjourned]
16:00:40 <ddahl> rrsagent, format minutes
16:00:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/20-voice-minutes.html ddahl
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16:29:11 <RRSAgent> I see no action items